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Benjamin Benedict Apugo

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Benjamin Benedict Apugo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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An article about a politician that doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Endorsing politicians, and speaking on TV can make you appear on the news but the coverage may be your statements and quotes; same issue here. I want a community consensus on this. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello safari, this man here is a notable man being discussed in schools and very popular. for some reason, he has no social media presence. 70% OF the articles i cited are all on the WP:NGRA. there are far less personalities who worked under this man such as Theodore Orji , Orji Uzor Kalu and many more who have wikipedia articles. and as a young 19 year old girl studying history i ran into this mans story in a book called "Ibeku in igbo History", which i am not sure i can cite on the internet because it's an ancient cultural hard copy book.
If you want this book i can scan it to your email. the book is uploaded on scribd.com by someone and in it, this man was mentioned, but i'm not sure if i can cite that since its a Scribd upload done in 2020 or so.
Some articles i cited also spoke about him as a person and every person growing up here in eastern region of Nigeria knew BB Apugo. You can do more research yourself on this person to see i have put in the work before submitting to wiki and my goal in wiki is not bringing people with huge online presence, but working as hard as possible to include articles that are known about in real life but not spoken about on the internet with every possible info i have.
I will continue to cite more sources and keep working to make sure i include more info and I am sure other people will to by the time they see the article on him. Yinka Williams (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yinka Williams see Wikipedia:Offline sources. You can 100% use offline sources, even if they are difficult to access for other editors. If you decide to use offline sources, we recommend you add identifiers (such as ISBN or WorldCat) so that other editors can more easily access those resources. Broc (talk) 10:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ! can i Include the link to the book on scribd ? and also if i'm using the ISBN how do I ethically include the page and chapter of the book or any more details i wish to help editors with. Thanks Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not include the link, as it is unclear whether the content was uploaded to Scribd with the copyright owner's permission, per WP:COPYLINK. Broc (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just got a hold of the ISBN and cited. Thank you. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Draftify: Per the creator, people familiar with Igbo history will recognize that she is correct. Therefore, I suggest either draftifying or keeping the article. Send down the rain (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree with the thought of Igbo people knowing about such word. Although there is practically WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS during the 1980s and 1990s in Nigeria, it doesn't illustrated that a non notable person can have a Wikipedia article. I think @Yinka Williams believes that seeing people in the news automatically shows notability. Absolutely no. I don't see how Apugo meets WP:GNG—even endorsing people—an act that can be done by any politician. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SafariScribe thanks for the remark, Also you mentioned a word igbo people don't know about, please what word is it ?
    secondly, i will respectfully tell you that he is a notable person, more notable than a few names i see here. The reason i used the news articles, some of which are dated as far back as 2007 are because those are the only articles i could find on him. Not that those are his achievements and i think you misinterpreted it. I also put up some pictures of him i could find with some of Nigeria's historical presidents and vice presidents, and an editor removed it stating that "being with notable persons does not contribute towards his notability" (and truthfully i disagree in my opinion, because there is no way this man would have ever had a seat with Presidents and Vice presidents especially in 70s, 80s and 90s if he wasn't notable, and the most interesting part is THEY visited him) also i have videos of top Canadian political representatives visiting this man in the early 2000s which i am trying to get to his parody youtube so it can be posted. Other arguments can be made, but this mans notability is not one of them. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can take a look at the book if you really want to verify. I mean a quick google search can pull up the book "Ibeku in Igbo History" which i cited with the pages referencing him. The news articles are a bonus and not to represent him. this man had a whole 11 pages written on him in a historical book. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I find a number of mentions of B.B. Apugo indicating his notability. Take for example "The strong man of Abia politics, Ochiagha Benjamin Benedict Apugo has finally broken his silence on the 2023 governorship race in Abia, by endorsing the candidate of the All Progressives Congress (APC), Chief Ikechi Emenike." [1], "The acclaimed strong man of Abia politics and member of the Board of Trustees of the party, Prince Benjamin Benedict Apugo (popularly known as B.B.) is 53 years old today. Friends and political associates would converge at his expansive estate at Nkata Ruling House in Umuahia-Ibeku, Abia State to clink the good wine glasses in festivity. The State Governor, Chief Orji Uzor Kalu and political gladiators in the State would be on hand to celebrate a political personality that has blossomed through the aeons of time. Apugo has played the godfather's role in the political evolution of the State. He has also cut a niche for himself as a peacemaker and a conciliator, bringing together opponents to dialogue and to make concessions in the interest of peace and stability of the State. He does not look for public office. Rather, he prefers to be a rallying point and political pathfinder for his people, providing, as it were, the direction to go each time they are confronted with choices." [2] "B. B. Apugo ( a member of the board of trustees ) , campaigned on the platform of reversing all the anomalies of party management introduced during the Obasanjo regime . Although he did not win , it was clear that this stand was taken seriously by Yar'Adua and many party members" [3], "other prominent party members that left were Chief Sam Mbakwe, Chief B.B. Apugo and Senator Polycaro Nwite." [4], " A prominent Chieftain of the All Progressives Congress (APC) and Member of the National Board of Trustees, Prince B.B Apugo has expressed" [5], "The crisis rocking Abia APC is getting messier by the day following accusations and counter-accusations of betrayal between the camps of two chieftains of the party in Abia," [6], "Abia State High Court, sitting in Umuahia, has adjourned till February 16 a N1.5 billion defamation suit filed by ex-Gov. Theodore Orji against a chieftain of the All Progressives Congress, APC, Prince Benjamin Apugo." [7] --Soman (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- the article is correct, I personally applaud her for taking on such an article, there are numerous offline mentions on Apugo and as an Igbo man from Anambra state myself, I heard about ochiagha ibeku growing up. People are familiar with this story. Bill onyenma (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K-rupt

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K-rupt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICBIO as search turns up barely two pages of local coverage of his death with next to nothing about his music. No notable discography, chart activity or awards over the course of his brief career. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 05:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Chibaka

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should be deleted due to the lack of significant independent coverage that meets the General Notability Guideline (GNG), relying instead on primary sources, company related news and not significant mentions. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete interviews are a poor way to establish notability and if he owns the Nyasa Times then it isn't independent enough to establish notability. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Traumnovelle Alternatively, it makes sense to redirect it to their company on Wikipedia that the subject found, thus Nyasa Times. Again, not all sources are interviews. Furthermore, this AfD was made by someone at random who was even reported at ANI here and there is even a discussion on their talk page about their nominations. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 07:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose a redirect. I looked at the references now. I presumed the sources you mentioned were the strongest sources. The strongest source appears to be the Yorkshire Evening Post but it isn't enough for notability in my opinion. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miraboi

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Miraboi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A biographical article about a Nigeria man that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Interviews and him giving money to charity aren't the kind of sourcing we're looking for. More of the typical Nigerian media hype for an otherwise non-notable individual. I don't see anything here we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 03:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The sources are standard Nigerian pay-to-play websites that look like newspapers but actually reprint promotional releases. Note the frequent weasel words, while some are written in the first person. Those were meant to promote this guy's music and business but none count as reliable sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Africa Proposed deletions

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Algeria

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Angola

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Cameroon

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Democratic Republic of the Congo

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Egypt

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Osirica

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Osirica (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This entire thing seems made up. For one it seems to claim that this "order" still exists and is operating since ancient times. ★Trekker (talk) 20:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC) The last deletion discussion is incredibly confusing as it seems to have resulted in a "Keep" without the votes actually making any sense (similar to the article itself).★Trekker (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. ★Trekker (talk) 20:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Egypt. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. In some other languages, "osirica" can simply mean "things related to Osiris" (as it did in Latin), but in English it seems to only have this specialized meaning, the supposed purported Egyptian proto-Masonic order found in some Afrocentrist fringe beliefs. There don't seem to be any reliable sources about it online.Moost of the online uses of the term in that sense appear to be regurgitations of this Wikipedia article (which has languished in this direly underdeveloped state for nearly twenty years!). The article attributes the term to George G. M. James's book Stolen Legacy, but it doesn't seem to actually appear there. The only English-language results I can find in Google Books are in the works of Yosef Ben-Jochannan, who used it to refer to the Egyptian mystery schools that were originally posited by James, and in books that are later than and presumably downstream from Ben-Jochannan's. One could argue that this page should redirect to the article on Ben-Jochannan, but I'd prefer that it didn't. The word does have a meaning in other languages, and Ben-Jochannan's fringe theory shouldn't hold the patent on it. A. Parrot (talk) 22:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Literally no sources listed in the article... This [11] which doesn't seem a RS and some footnotes here [12]. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 03:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As others have mentioned, a quick search for academic sources offers little in the way of credible sources.
  • The verifiability of the sources that mention this subject have been widely called into question, so if the article remains, the content should change to highlight that this is a fringe theory (and reflected in a name change > Osirica (fringe theory))
  • Regardless of the verifiability of the subject, the lack of sources (and the lack of detail: off-cuff mentions are not significant enough) infer that this article does not meet standards on notability
  • What can be found on the wider internet mentioning the subject seems to be citogenesis/backwards copy, where instead of basing content on the existing published sources, Wikipedia has become somewhat the "authoritative voice" on this subject: [13] [14] [15], etc. Obviously, it's antithetical to what Wikipedia aims to achieve.
Neatly95 (talk) 12:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mostafa Makhlouf

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Mostafa Makhlouf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication the subject meets the general notability guideline. Only source indicates he is the fifth-choice goalkeeper for his club and he has not played at senior level. C679 11:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He was in the first team in the past 2 years
And entered the African list for Al Ahly this year so he must have a Wikipedia page Mohamedmokhtar22 (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egypt Proposed deletions

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Ethiopia

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Ghana

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Ghana National Film Authority

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Ghana National Film Authority (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Insufficient references. At least three references about the main subject must all meet WP:SIRS. I don't see any that do. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enterprise Group (Ghana)

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Enterprise Group (Ghana) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This company does not meet any notability requirement. In the article's current form, all sources are primary and there is nothing out there to indicate notability per before search Ednabrenze (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The people suggesting keep need to explain how it meets the expectations for corporations.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Kenya

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The Gen Z Revolution of 2024

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A pure WP:POV fork of Kenya Finance Bill protests. No sources claim it is a different subject. Panam2014 (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Revolution is not a protest. Infact Kenya has had protest since 1969 but non were revolutionary. Bengula Jacob (talk) 22:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is the same subject per sources. Panam2014 (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, plus the article as a whole is very essay-like. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 15:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K-rupt

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICBIO as search turns up barely two pages of local coverage of his death with next to nothing about his music. No notable discography, chart activity or awards over the course of his brief career. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 05:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Libya

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Mauritius

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Nigeria

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GoldMyne TV

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Non notable online TV that received only passing mentions in all sources referenced. The claim of winning award does not improve its notably because the award categories are clustered with other supposed winners. Other available sources not cited in the article only give passing mentions in reference to interviews conducted by the subject. But those do not count for notability. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Another of my favorite constant topics which come up here often; Yet Another Non-Notable Nigerian YouTube Music Show®️. Nate • (chatter) 17:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ola of Lagos

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Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Nothing much to add here, but there's just no credible claim of importance here. Mostly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Benedict Apugo

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An article about a politician that doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Endorsing politicians, and speaking on TV can make you appear on the news but the coverage may be your statements and quotes; same issue here. I want a community consensus on this. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello safari, this man here is a notable man being discussed in schools and very popular. for some reason, he has no social media presence. 70% OF the articles i cited are all on the WP:NGRA. there are far less personalities who worked under this man such as Theodore Orji , Orji Uzor Kalu and many more who have wikipedia articles. and as a young 19 year old girl studying history i ran into this mans story in a book called "Ibeku in igbo History", which i am not sure i can cite on the internet because it's an ancient cultural hard copy book.
If you want this book i can scan it to your email. the book is uploaded on scribd.com by someone and in it, this man was mentioned, but i'm not sure if i can cite that since its a Scribd upload done in 2020 or so.
Some articles i cited also spoke about him as a person and every person growing up here in eastern region of Nigeria knew BB Apugo. You can do more research yourself on this person to see i have put in the work before submitting to wiki and my goal in wiki is not bringing people with huge online presence, but working as hard as possible to include articles that are known about in real life but not spoken about on the internet with every possible info i have.
I will continue to cite more sources and keep working to make sure i include more info and I am sure other people will to by the time they see the article on him. Yinka Williams (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yinka Williams see Wikipedia:Offline sources. You can 100% use offline sources, even if they are difficult to access for other editors. If you decide to use offline sources, we recommend you add identifiers (such as ISBN or WorldCat) so that other editors can more easily access those resources. Broc (talk) 10:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ! can i Include the link to the book on scribd ? and also if i'm using the ISBN how do I ethically include the page and chapter of the book or any more details i wish to help editors with. Thanks Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not include the link, as it is unclear whether the content was uploaded to Scribd with the copyright owner's permission, per WP:COPYLINK. Broc (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just got a hold of the ISBN and cited. Thank you. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Draftify: Per the creator, people familiar with Igbo history will recognize that she is correct. Therefore, I suggest either draftifying or keeping the article. Send down the rain (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree with the thought of Igbo people knowing about such word. Although there is practically WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS during the 1980s and 1990s in Nigeria, it doesn't illustrated that a non notable person can have a Wikipedia article. I think @Yinka Williams believes that seeing people in the news automatically shows notability. Absolutely no. I don't see how Apugo meets WP:GNG—even endorsing people—an act that can be done by any politician. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SafariScribe thanks for the remark, Also you mentioned a word igbo people don't know about, please what word is it ?
    secondly, i will respectfully tell you that he is a notable person, more notable than a few names i see here. The reason i used the news articles, some of which are dated as far back as 2007 are because those are the only articles i could find on him. Not that those are his achievements and i think you misinterpreted it. I also put up some pictures of him i could find with some of Nigeria's historical presidents and vice presidents, and an editor removed it stating that "being with notable persons does not contribute towards his notability" (and truthfully i disagree in my opinion, because there is no way this man would have ever had a seat with Presidents and Vice presidents especially in 70s, 80s and 90s if he wasn't notable, and the most interesting part is THEY visited him) also i have videos of top Canadian political representatives visiting this man in the early 2000s which i am trying to get to his parody youtube so it can be posted. Other arguments can be made, but this mans notability is not one of them. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can take a look at the book if you really want to verify. I mean a quick google search can pull up the book "Ibeku in Igbo History" which i cited with the pages referencing him. The news articles are a bonus and not to represent him. this man had a whole 11 pages written on him in a historical book. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I find a number of mentions of B.B. Apugo indicating his notability. Take for example "The strong man of Abia politics, Ochiagha Benjamin Benedict Apugo has finally broken his silence on the 2023 governorship race in Abia, by endorsing the candidate of the All Progressives Congress (APC), Chief Ikechi Emenike." [21], "The acclaimed strong man of Abia politics and member of the Board of Trustees of the party, Prince Benjamin Benedict Apugo (popularly known as B.B.) is 53 years old today. Friends and political associates would converge at his expansive estate at Nkata Ruling House in Umuahia-Ibeku, Abia State to clink the good wine glasses in festivity. The State Governor, Chief Orji Uzor Kalu and political gladiators in the State would be on hand to celebrate a political personality that has blossomed through the aeons of time. Apugo has played the godfather's role in the political evolution of the State. He has also cut a niche for himself as a peacemaker and a conciliator, bringing together opponents to dialogue and to make concessions in the interest of peace and stability of the State. He does not look for public office. Rather, he prefers to be a rallying point and political pathfinder for his people, providing, as it were, the direction to go each time they are confronted with choices." [22] "B. B. Apugo ( a member of the board of trustees ) , campaigned on the platform of reversing all the anomalies of party management introduced during the Obasanjo regime . Although he did not win , it was clear that this stand was taken seriously by Yar'Adua and many party members" [23], "other prominent party members that left were Chief Sam Mbakwe, Chief B.B. Apugo and Senator Polycaro Nwite." [24], " A prominent Chieftain of the All Progressives Congress (APC) and Member of the National Board of Trustees, Prince B.B Apugo has expressed" [25], "The crisis rocking Abia APC is getting messier by the day following accusations and counter-accusations of betrayal between the camps of two chieftains of the party in Abia," [26], "Abia State High Court, sitting in Umuahia, has adjourned till February 16 a N1.5 billion defamation suit filed by ex-Gov. Theodore Orji against a chieftain of the All Progressives Congress, APC, Prince Benjamin Apugo." [27] --Soman (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- the article is correct, I personally applaud her for taking on such an article, there are numerous offline mentions on Apugo and as an Igbo man from Anambra state myself, I heard about ochiagha ibeku growing up. People are familiar with this story. Bill onyenma (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oga Amos

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This was REFUNDED after soft deletion from the previous AfD. My rationale is still very much intact. This subject fails WP:GNG or WP:NCREATOR. Sources, with a partial exception of The Nation, are all paid and promotional puff. I also suspect UPE going on here. Sources from BEFORE are also paid puff. See source analysis below;

Currently on the article;

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://thenationonlineng.net/comedian-oga-amos-wins-best-skit-maker-in-ghana/ ~ Even though the "win award" is true, this is paid promotional puff ~ Ditto Yes ~ Partial
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2024/02/25/from-content-creation-to-philanthropy-inspiring-journey-of-oga-amos/ No paid promotional puff No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://leadership.ng/oga-amos-from-anambra-roots-to-lagos-stardom/ No paid promotional puff ("Oga Amos’s commitment and talent haven’t gone unnoticed, earning him well-deserved awards that acknowledge his substantial contributions to the dynamic world of online entertainment.", really? Only one non-notable award?) No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2023/01/27/oga-amos-one-of-nigerias-leading-content-creators/ No Ditto No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/11/oga-amos-floats-charity-foundation-to-transform-lives-of-his-fans/ No paid promotional puff No WP:NGRS, paid promotional puff Yes ✘ No
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Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://newtelegraphng.com/oga-amos-cheers-content-creators-for-incredible-creativity/ ~ ~ Even though WP:NGRS, this is still dependent on the subject No This is not about him directly ✘ No
https://tribuneonlineng.com/oga-amos-floats-charity-foundation-to-transform-lives/ No paid promotional puff No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2023/11/05/oga-amos-floats-charity-foundation-to-transform-lives-of-his-fans No Ditto No Ditto and WP:NGRS Yes ✘ No
https://guardian.ng/news/oga-amos-floats-charity-foundation-to-transform-fans-lives/ No Ditto No Ditto Yes ✘ No
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Miraboi

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A biographical article about a Nigeria man that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Interviews and him giving money to charity aren't the kind of sourcing we're looking for. More of the typical Nigerian media hype for an otherwise non-notable individual. I don't see anything here we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 03:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The sources are standard Nigerian pay-to-play websites that look like newspapers but actually reprint promotional releases. Note the frequent weasel words, while some are written in the first person. Those were meant to promote this guy's music and business but none count as reliable sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Okagbue

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I don’t see how this subject passes WP:GNG. The only thing here was that he won the Gulder ultimate search. The rest are just biography with no source. No evidence he won those awards.Since 2023 the issue tag was placed no fixed has been made. Even when I had to google. The news source fails independent as they are likely stating his quote. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Chris Okagbue is a well-known Nigerian actor and he is notable enough to deserve an article on WP. The article uses reliable sources. Therefore I think the article should be kept. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G-Worldwide Entertainment

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Again, this article is deceptively written, creating an initial impression that it meets the criteria of WP:NCORP unless scrutinized closely. Critically fails WP:ORGCRIT, There is not even a single source from the article or WP:BEFORE to establish any context of notability. Being a nominee of The Beatz Awards is not significant enough to make it presumptively notable. Over all, fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emperor Geezy

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This fails WP:NCREATIVE, and overall, WP:GNG based on WP:SIGCOV and WP:MILL. The award they won is not significant enough to help them pass, if they had 'won' their 'nomination's, that would be a different case, just merely being nominated at NEA isn't significant enough. The noms are unsourced while the piece the award they won is sourced to is an unreliable one from a marginally reliable publication (WP:NGRS). Taking a close look at the sources, they are mostly WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and unreliable pieces and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. I am skeptical about the notability of G-Worldwide Entertainment itself. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV(both in the Nigerian media and in foreign ones). At least you can look at the Nigerian Wikipedia article and find several sources. I’m not sure about WP:NMUSIC, but it’s not the main criteria anyway. Tau Corvi (talk) 08:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tau Corvi You clearly don't know how the general notability guideline works. For an subject to have a standalone page on Wikipedia, they have to be the subject of discussions from multiple secondary sources that are independent of the subject, reliable and provides a substantial coverage of the subject. These are needed to pass WP:GNG, a subject doesn't just pass SIGCOV to qualify for a standalone page. Even the SIGCOV you claim it passes is even not exactly correct because that is not the case. I understand you're a new user, you may need to familiarise yourself with the policies and guidelines before venturing into AfDs. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment : If an Award has been reviewed, has a Wikipedia page and meets the WP:GNG then it’s notable. But reference from reliable source that are independent of the subject are needed to be cited for proof. The fact he has Won, being Nominated for notable awards, contributed to the notable movie Suga Suga (film) as an executive producer makes him passes WP:ANYBIO and notable. Per source cited on the article, subject passes WP:GNG. If the award section can be addressed then my vote is a Keep. Please to the AFD nominator theirs no point responding to me. I’m not here to argue unreasonably or pick sides. My word still stands per Wikipedia article guideline.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingdom Achievers Award

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Disputed PROD. My PROD rationale still stands, notability isn't automatic or inherited. There are so many awards out there that are being awarded to entities but an award's significance isn't solely determined by the prestige of the awarding entity or the notable recipients. Instead, verifiable evidence from reliable sources is required to substantiate claims of notability. These sources must specifically focus on the award itself, providing in-depth information. Sources primarily highlighting award recipients rather than the award itself don't establish notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedly Keep: Article meets wikipedia:Notability, Also meets GNG, all the source are reliable, independent sources and it’s not inherited Notability, i suggest the nominator searches the topic and read through the article, as it’s a Gospel niche award and has multiple references from reliable source, the nominator has always been on my watch and nominates all my article for deletion and i think it’s likely a bad faith nomination but I’ll love to hear from other editors, thanks Madeforall1 (talk) 16:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Madeforall1 speedy keep only applies in certain situations listed at WP:SKCRIT, none of which apply. If there are additional sources with WP:SIGCOV please consider expanding the article with them to facilitate analysis by other editors, it is not a requirement but definitely helps, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:199B:E3C0:2FAB:D007 (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – I find the idea that sources need to "specifically focus on the award" as overly strict; if major independent outlets are choosing to cover the announcement of nominees and winners, that conveys a degree of significance to those awards. In other words, there may not be significant coverage of the awards as an organization, but there is significant coverage of them as an event. Having worked a fair amount with TV and film award articles, I think this is in line with other examples (as an example, see Los Angeles Film Critics Association, which is basically just about the awards presented by the organization – the sources cover the ceremonies/nominees/winners, not the organization). RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll add the caveat that I don't know enough about Nigerian media to say if the sources here are generally reliable, but since that wasn't the issue raised in the nomination, I'm assuming they are. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t see how covering the award itself is a strict measure. How then do we measure the significance of a subject? There are so many awards out there that are being awarded to recipients at events, that aren’t notable awards, even campus/college/university awards are also being awarded at ceremonies, I don’t see how that generally counts towards establishing GNG. These coupled with the fact that most of these pieces from the sources used are just overly promotional and unreliable, WP:GNG isn’t anywhere closely established. Also, using Los Angeles Film Critics Association is a poor comparison, you can’t exactly say an award that has been awarded for over 30 years won’t satisfy GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanderwaalforces, You have dropped your comments before sir why dropping more and attacking someone that dropped his votes and options? As said notable independent news sites have covered more about the event over time and I think in creating articles, it’s shows how notable the award is and it’s not just school or private organization award but an award for gospel artist, as sources is not notable based on the number of references. Madeforall1 (talk) 15:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Madeforall1 Your comment above is nonsensical because it adds no value to this discussion. You’re literally badgering already and I’ve been playing along with you from your talk page to mine. My comments above were presented in line with this discussion, yours wasn’t and isn’t exactly useful to the discussion. Please stop this poor attitude of yours. Do not ping me if you have nothing useful to add to this discussion, I don’t want to be notified of your poorly presented comments. You’re already giving the vibe of both UPE and COI, and that’s probably the reason you’re upset because an article you created got AfDed. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanderwaalforces Is this how you insult people? You don’t deserve to be a reviewer, you are just attacking everyone, you do everything with bad faith, I don’t think you deserve the privileges you got here, you are even a new editor and yet you talk to people carelessly, desist from such act and listen to people, I wonder if you know everything. Madeforall1 (talk) 15:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Madeforall1: Do you have any sort of relationship with the subject of this article? I agree with Vanderwaalforces, your editing pattern is often indicative of undisclosed paid editing or a more general conflict of interest. If you do have a conflict of interest, whether you're being directly compensated for your edits or not, you have to disclose it. Not doing so could result in you being blocked from editing. Also, comments like yours above could be taken as personal attacks, so I suggest you strike them out. Please reply to this message confirming whether or not you have a COI with Kingdom Achievers Award. C F A 💬 04:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CFA, I don’t have any conflict of interests nor connected to the subject, but it’s also not nice for a particular user not to improve and article instead of constantly give bad faith reviews, else I don’t know the subject but I know the award and I’ve seen many gospel artists that have received awards which the references are also added to there articles on Wikipedia so I choose to write about the award. Madeforall1 (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CFA I will advise you don’t be in support of bad government. I have gone through this discussion and the person who is wrong here is the AFD nominator. He started the personal attack. The article creator was just all about why the nominator is after his life and all I can see here was the Nominator using offensive language on him or her and you expect such a person not to feel bad. Like C’mon. One thing I will not tolerate here on Wikipedia is making other editors feel bad when they have no intention to harm the platform even if they don’t know why they are here. And I don’t care what you have to say if the truth can’t be told. Sometimes this kind of habit makes those who create articles feel like they have got something like a COI to do with the subject which they might be innocent. They are ways of catching people with COI and not by insulting them and they trying to defend themselves makes them now a COI. I am very far away from supporting bad government. Who knows if those editors went to acquire user level permission just to punish other people or make other people worship them? Who knows if they take money too to edit?. I have no business with what they said on their User page about Paid editing. Because even sock accounts do lie as well they have no other account. As for the article creator. I will advise you stay calm and do what is right here on Wikipedia by following it’s guidelines. I have already advised you before but you thought you now know better while speaking on the AFD discussion of Funnybros. I saw the user permission you are now after to. But it’s of no need base on your editing experience. Keep doing what is right here on Wikipedia and have a nice day. As for your article I will check if it’s a keep, delete or I don’t say anything and let other editors do their research. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Huh? C F A 💬 19:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that there are lots of non-significant awards like university awards, but you're not going to see significant coverage of those winners and nominees in major newspapers (aside from maybe a human-interest story, but the references here aren't that), so I don't really see what you're getting at. If newspapers are independently choosing to report on winners and nominees – and as far as I can tell, the references are independently written, not paid promotions, even if the loaded language can feel a bit promotional-y – that conveys significance to those awards relative to other awards. (As to your LAFCA rebuttal, awards can exist for decades and still not be notable. Depth of coverage, not longevity, is what matters.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per nom. Sources primarily covering the nominees and recipients do not offer WP:SIGCOV of the award itself which is necessary to meet GNG. Just because certain people have received the award does not mean it is automatically eligible for its own article. I'd support a redirect but I can't find a suitable target article. C F A 💬 04:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Check these Sources, Then Check reliable source for Nigerian Related Information. Reference "4" [31]https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/12/kingdom-achievers-award-2023-holds-in-lagos/amp/ and Reference "8" [32]https://championnews.com.ng/kingdom-achievers-award-partners-with-boomplay-music-pulse-ng-in-forthcoming-award-event/, There's a WP:SIGCOV on these source.Madeforall1 (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Definitely needs a closer look. dxneo (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry I made a mistake by pressing a bottom I’m not meant to press. Madeforall1 (talk) 05:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete : Per nominator reason. Award was just even established in 2022 that means two years ago and annually show up. It is very hard to be called it notable for now as it hasn’t gotten enough significant coverage from independent reliable source rather than the event hold announcement and inheriting of nomination list because they nominated notable people. It can be notable in the future that is if they still exist by then. Meanwhile, they are other Awards Notable here on Wikipedia being won by Nigerian Gospel singers. So am not sure this is the only award to qualify a gospel singer.--Gabriel (……?) 20:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gabriel601, Notability in this case is not achieved from how long an establishment has been in existence but how well known the establishment has become in the space, an establishment of 1 month can even gain notability than the one that has existed for decades, Well all the sources listed on the article are All from reputable and reliable news sources which was organically written based on the prestige of the awards, Before I wrote about this article, I strongly believe it’s an annual event that has come to stay which amounts to the fact the Awards meets WP:GNG, There's a WP:SIGCOV in the references too and these facts qualifies an article to be on Wikipedia for a valid reasonMadeforall1 (talk) 05:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you strongly believe that they have come to stay. That means you seems to have a connection or sort of conflict of interest with the said subject. They must have told you they have come to stay for you to be a spokesperson this way. I will advise you don’t bother responding to me because you won’t get a reply this time again. I understand someone can just wake up one morning and become notable. Yeah that is possible. But not for the category of an award. Gabriel (……?) 08:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I’ve seen the nature of your edits and all your bad faith, you feel you are an admin or you can say anything you feel? Can you create an article you know nothing about? @Gabriel601, I only create articles I find notable, it is clearly written on reliable sources that it’s an annual awards and have serval editions, and secondly stop the personal attacks, I saw what you did when I tried to request a permission. Desist from that. Madeforall1 (talk) 09:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Calling someone's editing bad faith could be taken as a personal attack. I would recommend striking that out. C F A 💬 14:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CFA, check if it was here someone could say this ? WP:RFP/PCR,Madeforall1 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TFhost

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I'm not seeing much third party coverage, likely to fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Unclear how much weight should be given to those awards. KH-1 (talk) 03:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep There seems to be a bias towards this nomination. By claiming no "independent content", you are a clearly denegrating the sources in the references given. A performance based award is given by an Authority Domain Registry and you acknowledge it as "PR"?. A company that won an award back to back from such Authority is not notable? What is notability if such awards are not deemed notable? If we go by your assertions, then many entities will not exist on wikipedia. As per GNG/WP:NCORP , there are more than 2 significant sources with independent Content on the company. These were clearly ignored by the editor that made the nomination. I am able to identity 4 references that meet the criteria for notability. Let us be fair to African Organisations who may not have the same level of media coverage that other organisations in Other continents may have. This nomination should be rescinded and article kept. 4555hhm (talk) 13:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. The sourcing is the usual regurgitation or company PR and the "awards" may be verifiable but they are not sufficiently significant to meet notability criteria. HighKing++ 17:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There seems to be a bias towards this nomination. By claiming no "independent content", you are clearly denigrating the sources in the references given. A performance based award is given by an Authority Domain Registry and you acknowledge it as "PR"?. A company that won an award back to back from such Authority is not notable? What is notability if such awards are not deemed notable? If we go by your assertions, then many entities will not exist on wikipedia. As per GNG/WP:NCORP , there are more than 2 significant sources with independent Content on the company. These were clearly ignored by the editor that made the nomination. I am able to identity 4 references that meet the criteria for notability. Even though GNG/WP:GNG as regards sources clearly states, "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected". Let us be fair to African Organisations who may not have the same level of media coverage that other organisations in Other continents may have. WP:ORGSIG"However, smaller organizations and their products can be notable, just as individuals can be notable. Arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations or their products." This nomination should be rescinded and article kept.@HighKing 4555hhm (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 03:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)) [reply]
    • Comment OK 4555hhm, notwithstanding your request to apply different standards to small African companies, you've said that winning an award should be counted towards notability. WP:ORGTRIV says that non-notable awards aren't counted towards notability and if this award were notable, I'd expect it to have significant coverage or discussion, be recognised internationally, or even have its own WP page. This doesn't appear to be the case and in my experience, most "industry" awards are not notable. You also say you can identify more than 4 sources which meet the criteria - but you didn't list even one such source. Not sure if you're including the article about the award by the ADR, but that article's content fails to include in-depth "Independent Content" - for example, it is easily proven not to be "Independent" since it is a word for word copy of an article in Nairaland (can't link to it because WP doesn't allow it) nairaland.com/4816995/tfhost-awarded-hosting-provider-year this article published on the same date (without an accredited journalist) and this in Nigeria Communications Week. In addition, this copy relies entirely on information provided by the company including quotes from a company officer. Also, to complete your quote from ORGSIG you must also remember that No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is. HighKing++ 15:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Bu Sa'ad

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This article fails WP:GNG and is entirely made up of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. None of the sources mention "Al Bu Sa'ad". Additionally, there is a "Culture and cuisine" section which seems to have no relation to the topic of the article. Skitash (talk) 16:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Culture section refers to the culture and cuisine of the Al Bu Sa’ad tribe. Additionally, the sources refer to the Isaaq tribe which is a parent tribe of the Al Bu Sa’ad, or mention the Somali variation spelling of Al Bu Sa’ad as Sacad (bin) Musa. Please help out the article by adding citations rather than nominate the whole article for deletion.
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Ismail. Ismail7Hussein (talk) 17:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,
I would recommend keep. As citations 1, 3, 6 & 11 all clearly mention “Sa’ad”, either referring to the actual tribe or the tribe’s progenitor.
Thanks,
Ismail Ismail7Hussein (talk) 14:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify this is possibly a person writing about a local tribe. But, as the nom notes, none of the sources discuss the topic. It cannot be kept as an article in its current form, but it could be kept as a draft. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Wallis-Brown

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Article makes no claim to notability. Career section reads like a CV - moving from position to position - but does not outline any accomplishments in any of the roles, notable or otherwise. No significant coverage - the references are largely mentions in passing/regurgitated press releases. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bert Hellinger

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:NACADEMIC, etc. I see no real argument for notability. Text is plainly WP:PROMOTIONAL. See related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Family Constellations jps (talk) 22:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family Constellations

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It has been some time since I have seen an article so thin as this. An amalgamation of a lot of ideas of Bert Hellinger who may be notable in his own right (edit: I decided that he is not notable either: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bert Hellinger) but this idea of his seems to have generated very little interest and notice beyond the typical "don't fall for scams" notes and some poorly-considered publications with basically no citations. If we were to remove all the WP:CRUFT, we would be left with a simple statement that "Family Constellations is Bert Hellinger's attempt to do therapy." That's all that I can see sourced properly. Not suitable for Wikipedia. jps (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skwatta Kamp

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC with no notable discography or chart activity, while their "numerous awards" mentioned in article include only two regional ones. Article has been a poorly-sourced stub since its 2015 creation, and searches turn up the usual niche sites (YouTube, Bandcamp, Genius, et al.) or stories about member deaths. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 00:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Familial relationships of Errol Musk

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Familial relationships of Errol Musk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Errol Musk is not in any way notable independent of his relation to Elon Musk. He ran for public office, but was never elected, but was only elected once to a local city council, he was an engineer, but didn't do anything of note. There is nothing about him is notable other than that he was the father of Elon Musk. Ergzay (talk) 01:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He ran for public office, but was never elected That's actually not correct, he was elected in '72 and served until the 80s. His 1983 resignation was front page news. Feoffer (talk) 05:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Ah I missed that, but that was a local city council. None of the people in my city council have wikipedia pages. Ergzay (talk) 06:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well he wasn't "just any" councilman, he was a vocally anti-apartheid English-speaking South African politician in 1972 Pretoria! Per Isaacson and many others, that's actually a really big deal in his time and place, but damned if I can find really good English-language sourcing which actually deep-dives into that part of his life story. Feoffer (talk) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could be great if there is a comparison on how vocal he was compared to the famous Helen Suzman. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a wikipedia page on even the contents of that 1972 city council? Did that 1972 city council do anything of note? Ergzay (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Errol Musk does not meet the notability guidelines despite his connection with Elon Musk. His career achievements and political work are not notable on their own. His main claim to fame is that he is the father of Elon Musk. It's crucial to adhere to WP:BLP, and keeping a separate article about only Musk's family does not meet these standards.--AstridMitch (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep*: He is an antiracist fighter AND elected representative AND father of Elon Musk - this 3 together is enough for a wikipedia page. 2A00:1110:143:1160:D1BF:A9E6:C3C3:862D (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Ridiculous to have an article about someone's "familial relationships" without giving him his own article. Astaire (talk) 02:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's like when we do "Death of so-and-so" for notable deaths. It's a reminder to readers that the current article doesn't (yet) cover Errol's political career in the depth required of a true BLP. Feoffer (talk) 05:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A familial relationships article for Elon Musk would be more sane, in which case Errol Musk could be mentioned there, though I'd think it should still be just part of the Elon Musk article. Ergzay (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well that's an excellent point. I definitely think of it as a Elon sub-article: we don't need to litigate emerald mines and spousal abuse and false claims of funding or abandonment on Elon's literal BLP. Feoffer (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't understand what you mean by "Elon sub-article". If it's not valuable enough to put on the page on Elon Musk then it's probably not valuable enough to put on any page on Wikipedia. I'm not sure on this last point, but I think "biography of living persons" policies apply even if it's a spin-off of the main article. That's not a loophole of the rule. Ergzay (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From WP:BLP:

    BLP applies to all material about living persons anywhere on Wikipedia, including talk pages, edit summaries, user pages, images, categories, lists, article titles and drafts.

    Ergzay (talk) 00:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    BLP absolutely applies to ALL articles, I just meant we shouldn't be covering a notable abuser on one of their victim's biographical articles. Feoffer (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as creator. GNG is met, he's been covered extensively in the press and in-depth in at least two different books. Ultimately, it's not fair to Maye Musk or Elon Musk to document Errol's extensive controversial public behavior on those articles, but neither is it fair to them for us simply to delete that verified information from the project. I haven't found fulltext access, but Afrikaans newspaper archive searches and the Isaacson book show Errol was a VERY notable person during his political career, long before Elon was an adult. Errol has a second claim to notability for his allegedly abusive relationships with Maye and Elon. Finally, Errol again became controversial for a marriage to a former stepdaughter (cf Soon-Yi Previn). Feoffer (talk) 04:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, Engineering, and South Africa. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even if this was notable, having it as a "familial relationships of" article makes 0 sense when it is basically a biography of him (focusing on his relationships because that's all the sources talk about!)
The only thing here that's not directly related to, or from publications about, Elon or his ex wife is the "having a child with his stepdaughter" thing which is not enough to have an article on PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your words carry lots of weight with me. Are you saying we should just move this content into a BLP titled Errol Musk? And if not, do you have an opinion on where we SHOULD cover what is known about Errol? We've got 4 different BLPs from folks reliably alleging abuse at Errol's hands. I know @Ergzay: expressed a preference for covering it at Elon's BLP, but it seems unfair to me to single out one victim like that, when it's a multidecade pattern of abuse that pre- and post- dated Elons interactions. Errol's later promotion of conspiracy theories and admission of fathering multiple children with a stepchild obviously lend credence to their prior allegations. Feoffer (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if there's to be something here, it should be a BLP. The content in this article is basically a BLP already. I believe there was already an AfD for the initial Errol Musk article though.
An alternative could be some sort of... Musk family article? I mean, his family's certainly discussed and he's certainly not the only notable member. Singling out his dad, who does not have his own article, for an article to be based around, doesn't make much sense. But if it's notable as part of his whole family then maybe, idk.
I'm not sure if either of these ideas are good, though, or if either is notable. Your point about his political career making him notable is a possibility but until sigcov related to that is presented the jury's still out. Not impossible though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for this feedback.
I probably should have said somewhere that this article was created to hold content removed in Musk family (which was deleted on June 1) which had been merged from Errol Musk (merged into Musk Family in Sept 2023). I concur that a full BLP should wait for the South African source, but in the mean time, the victims really do deserve for it to be SOMEWHERE in Wikipedia.(/?) Feoffer (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not in the business of deciding what people "deserve". Please read WP:RGW. Astaire (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol fair enough, I'm not on a crusade. but it's still verifiable content with exculpatory BLP implications for Elon and Maye. Feoffer (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of this content may belong somewhere on Wikipedia, but the current article is too flawed to stand. If it is really about "familial relationships", why does it discuss his business career, his election to city council and his game lodge? Why should anyone care that Errol claimed that Elon upgraded his home security system? Astaire (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why should anyone care that Errol claimed that Elon upgraded his home security system?
Because it contradicts the false claims in media (sourced to Errol) of Elon's supposed abandonment of a disabled parent. Feoffer (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Including that content with that justification is a WP:OR issue, unless reliable sources explicitly note the contradiction themselves. Astaire (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, any answer to your question about "why should anyone care" would be OR to put in article unless it was explicitly noted in RS. Feoffer (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify Weird article. Creator claims that there is more coverage of him out there, so I don't think a full delete is warranted. Either way, the article is not ready for mainspace. If the consensus ends up being to delete, that would be fine by me. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 06:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify or Delete I'm the one who submitted this, but I'm fine with either option. It doesn't make sense to have it as an article though. I'm not sure what moving it to a Draft could fix though. Ergzay (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I interpret draftify calls as me having jumped the gun by publishing it in mainspace before we got access to the sources on political career needed to make a full balanced BLP. I get it's an unorthodox title, but it's also a little bit of a blpvio to not document Errol's verifiably-checkered past somewhere, given his public attacks on family. I don't feel good about stuffing it all into the BLP of one of his victims. Feoffer (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The title is probably the biggest problem. Having an articles about the familial relationships of someone without having an article on the person themselves is a bit ridiculous. But there's lots of other issues beyond that, even if the page was moved, like the noteworthiness of the man himself and of anything he thinks beyond it's relation to Elon Musk. Ergzay (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify Plenty of notable source material for an article about the man more so than his "relations", especially since Musk Family got effectively yeeted. QRep2020 (talk) 16:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename as Errol Musk - Numerous sources discuss his own life, so that his bio would easily pass GNG. Surely his son's fame directed attention to him, just like Maye Musk, Kimbal Musk and Tosca Musk; we've got plenty of coverage for those individuals as well, who arguably wouldn't be notably featured in the press if Elon's life hadn't attracted so much scrutiny. Ironic that notability is not inherited, though in this case the hyper-notability of one person did engender notability of various family members... — JFG talk 10:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable journalist and failing to meet ANYBIO LusikSnusik (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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