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Crime[edit]

2024 Los Angeles County shootings[edit]

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This shooting does not appear to have drawn any sustained coverage outside of local routine coverage. Fails WP:NEVENT, particularly WP:LASTING. ~ Pbritti (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, Firearms, and California. Pbritti (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider the fact that because this happened in the United States events like these are quickly removed from the news cycle. Raskuly (talk) 07:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. For exactly that reason events like these are not automatically notable. Athel cb (talk) 08:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as per above Lordseriouspig 09:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider doing this to other articles on the List of mass shootings in the United States article then since this article's deletion seems inevitable at this point right after you had my other article deleted. Raskuly (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Note categories at the bottom of the article, and the navbox that has five years of shootings around the United States. Why delete this one, and keep all the rest? I'm surprised there is not a Wikipedia project for this subject. — Maile (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those other shootings have sustained coverage because of their notable elements beyond the fact that multiple people were injured or killed (a tragic but non-notable event). For example, this shooting that I remember happening near me a few years ago achieved nationwide sustained coverage beyond ROUTINE due to the shooter's radicalization. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Then could an argument in favor of keeping this article be that this is an instance of gang-related violence in which the targets were apparent random individuals? Raskuly (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Not unless this incident was characterized as notable for that reason and the incident received sustained coverage. Most smaller mass shootings (4–8 victims) do not meet this threshold. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I guess something that is similar to what you mean would be the 2022 Sacramento shooting. Raskuly (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree, it never got national coverage, and so fails WP:NEVENT Carson004 (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Mills (Great Train Robbery)[edit]

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Fails WP:VICTIM. This seems like a totally un-necessary biography and a WP:CONTENTFORK of the Great Train Robbery. The subject was not individually notable, and his death was a part of the larger train robbery so having a separate article like Death of Jack Mills doesn't seem appropriate. A merge or redirect to Great Train Robbery would be an acceptable WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support a redirect to Great Train Robbery (1963). Procyon117 (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 21:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nomination. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duane Davis (gangster)[edit]

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Merge into Murder of Tupac Shakur. Textbook case of WP:BLP1E and a potential violation of WP:BLPCRIME. Most of the text in the article is about the murder and the various theories surrounding the possible perpetrator, not Davis. Davis hasn't been convicted or found guilty, and the coverage surrounding him is only in the context of the one event -- the murder of Tupac Shakur. Longhornsg (talk) 04:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, Crime, and California. Longhornsg (talk) 04:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as suggested seems like the best way to proceed here. He isn't notable as a "criminal" (he hasn't been tried yet, only arrested), or otherwise, only notable in relation to the Tupac murder. He was arrested and is in jail, pending the trial. Unsure if he might even pass criminal notability if and when he should be found guilty either. Oaktree b (talk) 04:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mott family murders[edit]

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Fails NEVENT. All sources are from the week this happened, no follow up, failing WP:SUSTAINED. In addition, familicides are by far the most common kind of mass murder and tend to receive the least coverage, so the odds that this will receive any kind of retrospective coverage when coverage has ceased, especially since it's been two years with nothing, is slim to none. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Alaska. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Even without WP:CRYSTALing, this has barely been mentioned and therefore fails WP:GNG, and it's nowhere near having the lasting consequences needed for WP:NEVENT. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 09:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University of Texas at Austin stabbing[edit]

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Fails WP:NEVENT. A non-fatal stabbing where a single non-notable person was injured, no deaths. The citations in the background section do not mention this incident as they predate it. There was a brief burst of coverage that it happened and the perpetrator was indicted without hate crime charges (covered only by local media) and there has been no coverage since, failing WP:SUSTAINED.

Additionally, there was a fatal mass stabbing at this same school in 2017 that is substantially closer to passing NEVENT that we do not have an article on (imo it still doesn't pass NEVENT but this is to make a point): the reason this article exists appears to be the Palestine connection.

Due to the circumstances it can probably be merged somewhere if anyone wants that but I have no ideas. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, Palestine, and Texas. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with appropriate article listing instances of anti-Palestinian violence in the United States or the West in general. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No opposition to that, but could you suggest a specific target? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made a cursory search and did not find any. Perhaps "Anti-Palestinian racism" has a section on U.S. incidents. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The topic is notable as a prominent and specific example of Anti-Palestinian racism, which is precisely what made it stand out as an event against the background noise in the US. It does also have sustained coverage, with the event continuing to fuel the discussion on hate crime in the US some ~~six~~ two and a half months later. Yes, the only reason this topic is notable is the hate crime element ... because that – the context of the violence, not its form – is what is notable. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who has declared it "prominent"? It made the news for three days and then dropped off the map. It does not have sustained coverage, and there has been no proof of that presented. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got the dates muddled: it's two and a half months later with the update, which you know about, do clearly not three days. More generally, one might just say: wait! There's hardly even time for it to be discussed in other mediums than news yet, so it's hard to know what else is expected. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A two month update saying it wasn't a hate crime from a local news outlet with no further analysis or retrospection? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Merge to University of Texas at Austin#2024 Pro-Palestinian Protests per other users and WP:NOTNEWS. One injury, no deaths. Jiminy Christmas, this shit happens every day around the world. Wikipedia is not a crime blotter. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to University of Texas at Austin#2024 Pro-Palestinian Protests and also mention at List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States in 2024#UT Austin, which seems like the main article about the protests. This article is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK and WP:NOTNEWS. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 18:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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