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Article promoted by Cinderella157 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 09:20, 16 September 2018 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list[reply]

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Nominator(s): Zawed (talk)

William Edward Sanders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Here is an article covering another one of New Zealand's WWI Victoria Cross recipients, this time William Sanders, New Zealand's only naval VC recipient. He was awarded the VC for his actions as commander of a Q-ship when it attacked a U-boat. It went through the GA process back in 2014, and I have done some expansion work since in preparing the article for nomination for A-Class. I look forward to reviewers' feedback. Zawed (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Ian

  • Copyedited as usual so pls let me know any concerns. One query:
    • "the First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir John Jellicoe, offered Sanders command of a destroyer of his choosing, which he declined" -- this seems pretty amazing to me, any more details on his reasons?
  • Structure and level of detail seem reasonable.
  • Source review:
    • Sources look to be of good quality except -- perhaps I missed something -- what makes Tauranga Memories reliable?
    • All links check out.
    • Formatting looks okay except FN18 and FN29 are evidently misnamed -- should they both be Howard 2007?
  • Image review:
    • The one image (which I took the liberty of cleaning up and cropping, let me know if you don't think it's an improvement) is appropriately licensed.
    • I'm assuming there's no images available of any of Sanders' ships. Could there be an image out there of a Q-Ship that might add to the article? Or any of the U-Boats in the story?

Nice work. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:34, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian Rose: thanks for the feedback, I have dealt with your points above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tks Zawed, happy to support; well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM

Comments Support by Kges1901 Excellent work, Zawed. Comments:

  • before transferring to sailing ships working around New Zealand waters Repetition of work, could the second part of the sentence be rephrased?
  • link master's to master (naval) as that might confuse unfamiliar readers
  • In 'First World War', should it be 'the' Moeraki as you use 'the' for Joseph Craig above?
  • some time at the HMS Do the sources give anything more specific than 'some time'?
  • Also, is the specific date when he started service aboard Helgoland known?
  • In this first engagement, was the U-boat being attacked or was she attacking them?
  • 'HMS' Prize links to a disambig page. Suggest that be expanded at some point, though not a pressing issue.
  • collected three survivors including her captain Perhaps explain how the survivors escaped since the submarine survived, and perhaps clarify 'her' so that it is explicitly the U-boat captain.
  • In 'Medals and Legacy' perhaps mention that the training ship Leander is operated by the NZ Sea Cadets in the text. Linking training ship to Sea Cadets may be unexpected for the reader, perhaps link training ship to training ship.

Kges1901 (talk) 13:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.