Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wildfire/Archive 1

Archive 1

Bravo/Thank you

Bravo for creating this project, and thank you for inviting me to participate. Froid (talk) 12:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Froid: welcome aboard!!! --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 17:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I will definitely help! :) Evancahill (talk) 23:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

First article under the project (for me)!

This isn't my first wildfire article project, I've written/edited a few. But, thanks for inviting me to join and I just started a stub for the Cold Fire (wildfire). Hoping I can get over tomorrow to add a picture (I live about a 45 minute drive from there). Thanks for starting the project! Missvain (talk) 00:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Photos

Thanks again for creating Category:Wildfire articles needing images - posting it here for others. I've copied the the CAL FIRE logo to Commons from enwp, and starting to go through USFS and CAL FIRE photos. Some of what they tweet/post isn't their own work and thus isn't PD (often it's hard to tell!). - PKM (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

@PKM: Am I to understand that work published by CALFIRE IS public domain?!?!!? That would be AWESOME! --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 02:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

If it's by California government personnel in the course of their duties, it's public domain. CAL FIRE has a fabulous photo set on Flickr for the Ponderosa Fire, but those have a copyright on them - not sure if that's because they hired a photographer, or just aren't copyright experts. I think it's correct to assume that any photo on a CAL FIRE info site without a specific copyright is PD-CAGov. - PKM (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@PKM: well that changes everything!!!! I knew that USFS stuff was PD because it was federal. For some reason I didn't realize it was true for local as well. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 04:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Santa Barbara Wildfires

I am writing about all the Santa Barbara Wildfires in my sandbox. I am not done. Currently, I am working on the Romero fire. I am not done with any of the fires, just templates for the fires. Hope you like it! Rcd178 (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Rcd178: awesome! I actually live in Santa Barbara so a big fan of that! One piece of advice though. I would edit those articles in place. Better than rewriting them and doing a copy-and-paste job. Make sense? --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 05:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sure! I'll get it in my spare time! I won't have much time, because I'm going on a trip. Thank you! Rcd178 (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sherpa Fire

Hello all! Sherpa Fire has been nominated as a good article. Midnightblueowl gave an awesome review. Would love any and all assistance improving the article. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 17:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Bluecut Fire in the news

I have nominated Bluecut Fire to be features "In the news". If anyone wants to voice their opinion on whether or not you think it should be featured. You can do so here: In the news candidates. Thanks!! --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 16:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

'uncontrolled'?

Is uncontrolled really the defining characteristic of wildfire? Does a forest fire suddenly become NOT a wildfire once it is contained? Why should anthropocentric concept of control define this natural disturbance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DerekELee (talk • contribs) 16:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Does "contained" mean "extinguished"?

On the talk page for Loma Fire, TJRC posted the following:

Calfire announced again today that the fire is 100% contained, and this time that's also been reported in multiple media sources (e.g., [1], [2], [3]). But my understanding is that containment is not mean the fire is extinguished; it's still burning, although contained in geography. Given that, I think it's premature to use past tense "was a fire"; it still is a fire; and no end-date should yet be on the infobox. In contrast, the {{Current wildfire}} template should be removed, given that that infobox declares not only that "this wildfire is still actively burning" (true), but also that it "has not been 100 percent contained" (which is no longer true.)

— TJRC, Talk:Loma Fire

I think this is an EXCELLENT question that warrants discussion. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 18:46, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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In my opinion, once a fire is deemed 100% contained, it shifts to a past tense. Yes cleanup work may still be taking place, litigation may still be in the works for perps, investigations on going, etc. But Once a fire is 100% contained, even if it is still burning within its containment lines, in the fire community the fire is considered "out". --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 18:46, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

You know, in retrospect, I think I've come to agree with you, in particular for another factor not mentioned. The 100% containment event seems to be the final update provided by the firefighting unit. For example, in the Loma Fire, there's not going to be another statement from CalFire saying that it's out or extinguished; and that in turn drives the media coverage, so there presumably won't be a published news article marking some hypothetical "extinguished" event.

Given that, most wildfires won't have a bright-line date for end-of-fire other than the 100% containment date. Even if an occasional fire did have such a date documented, I'd rather be consistent and use the same event, containment. Someone studying wildfires may wish to analyze duration, for example, and consistency on this makes the data more usable. TJRC (talk) 14:52, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

WP:METEO

How does this project relate to {{WikiProject Droughts and Fire Events}} (a subproject of WikiProject Meteorology)? Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 23:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Cedar Fire (2003) listed at Requested moves

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Badger Creek Fire

Hi there. Is Badger Creek Fire notable, and where is it? Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think I found the location, roughly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Camp Fire (2018) listed at Requested moves

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Kincade Fire

Hello, can you review the draft at Draft:Kincade Fire? I think it should be published soon because it is a growing fire.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 18:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

RfC on bushfire seasons

There is an RfC on whether future Australian bushfire season article template start and end dates should use the official season or the beginning and end of significant fires. Please comment here --

2019–20 Australian bushfire season listed at Requested moves

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Merger of weather-related WikiProjects into WikiProject Weather

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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In August of last year, there was a discussion on whether or not weather-related Wikiprojects (such as WikiProject Tropical cyclones, WikiProject Non-tropical storms, and others I can't think of off the top of my head) should be merged into a bigger WikiProject, WikiProject Weather. The discussion ended with consensus to merge. This is because a lot of projects (except WPTC) have been suffering from a lack of people working on articles and getting them up to speed/updating them during current events. Since then, there have been .a few discussions about the formatting of these projects and which articles to have/which projects to merge in. Since then, a few people have said that it would be acceptable to merge in WikiProject Wildfires, but we need to notify you all and see what you think before doing so.

Questions and comments are welcome. (I don't know much about the process, since I'm just playing the role of the messenger, but I'm sure that others may be able to help with your queries!) codingcyclone ^advisories/_damages 21:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @Hurricane Noah, Jason Rees, Hurricanehink, and CycloneFootball71: so that you know about this thread. codingcyclone ^advisories/_damages 21:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC) Also pinging @LightandDark2000: as AFAIK the last one wouldn't have worked.codingcyclone ^advisories/_damages 04:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Just to back @CodingCyclone: up and expand on what she said here, several editors are looking at merging the various meteorology projects into one. These include WP:Non Tropical Storms, WP:Meteorology, WP:Severe, WP:Tropical Cyclones and WP:Floods as we feel that Wikipedia would be better served with all of these wikiprojects as one whole wikiproject where we could collaborate, share reviewers, resources, knowledge etc a lot easier. I would have included WP:Wildfires in the original notice/proposal but wasn't aware of the project's existence, as a result, I would like to open the discussion and talk about a potential merger of the Weather Project and WP:Wildfires. Jason Rees (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: – Just a small note: I'd like to be referred to as a she, thanks! codingcyclone ^advisories/_damages 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

To further elaborate a bit, we are proposing this merger due to the many weather processes that occur that are related to wildfires. For example, many (not all) are started from periods of drought or lightning. Wildfires also can produce Pyrocumulus, Pyrocumulonimbus, strong winds, Fire whirls, Firestorms, and even in some cases actual tornadoes and supercells. Also, wildfires have effects on atmospheric conditions, including the injection of many aerosols, pollutants, and other things high into the atmoshpere, and that can remain for long periods of time. In areas where fires have burned, they can also locally change the environment/climate of a certain location, causing weather conditions to vary when compared to areas unaffected by such burns. That is just a little bit of background info as to why we want to merge this project in to WP Weather. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 04:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@CycloneFootball71: – Thanks for elaborating! This is a very useful explanation. :) codingcyclone ^advisories/_damages 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem! Glad it was useful :). 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 04:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose – WP:WILDFIRE may be on the smaller side of the WikiProjects that are out there, but I really don't see the point in this merger. Heck, there are a bunch of other science topics out there that involve some kind of weather as well (Astronomy, Volcanology, Climate Change, Geology). I don't think we should merge them all. We should just stick with the WikiProjects that are strictly about the weather. And even those are being contested for 2 WikiProjects (WP:WPSVR and WP:WPTC). I don't think merging WP:Wildfire or any other WikiProject beyond the original targets is necessary or would be all that beneficial. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, it would be more prudent to ping the active users on this WikiProject, since there aren't that many overlaps with WPTC editors here. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - While wildfire is certainly weather-related, it's also related to many other things - natural resources management, protected areas, urban planning, emergency management, ecology, etc. I don't think the nexus is singular or strong enough. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 20:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

FAR for Yellowstone fires of 1988

I have nominated Yellowstone fires of 1988 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Noah^Talk 15:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Alberta fires

I have created a draft for the currently ongoing wildfires in Alberta. Over 100 fires with 37 out of control, have occured. Draft:2023 Alberta fires feel free to contribute! VisiblityGale (talk) 19:00, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Peer review for Fountain Fire

Hello! I've put the article on the 1992 Fountain Fire in Northern California up for peer review ahead of an eventual (hopefully) featured article nomination. The discussion is here. I'd be happy to take any commends, but some key points are in the discussion.

Cheers,

Penitentes (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)