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I've updated the task description with user stories.

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• @ppelberg to discuss these user stories with @iamjessklein.

This ticket should have the same design as T274832, however the copy will change.

For the "splash" page:

Heading:

The conversation starts here> Create the space for conversation

Paragraph:

Talk pages are where people discuss how to make content on Wikipedia the best that it can be. Start this page by adding a new discussion topic to connect and collaborate with a community of Wikipedians. ->
User Talk pages are where people discuss and share information on how to make content on Wikipedia the best that it can be. Start this page by adding a new discussion topic to connect and collaborate with a community of Wikipedians. If this is your page, log in to start creating the page.

I'm imagining that the log in link in would open up the log in flow. a) Is this possible? b) can @Whatamidoing-WMF and @ppelberg review this copy?

About If this is your page, log in to start creating the page. I believe that it's easy to link to the login page, and that it _might_ be possible to only show this line to people who are not logged in.

Also: Being logged in isn't a requirement for creating a User_talk: page at most wikis, and do we really want people to create their own User_talk: pages? It's not forbidden, but what's the point in talking to yourself?

In T274831#7187096, @iamjessklein wrote:

If this is your page, log in to start creating the page.

In addition to @Whatamidoing-WMF said, anons can also have talk pages. If an anon logs in, the IP talk page no longer belongs to them.

In T274831#7188260, @Whatamidoing-WMF wrote:

[…] do we really want people to create their own User_talk: pages? It's not forbidden, but what's the point in talking to yourself?

I recall seeing someone who started conversations with others on this user’s own user talk page by pinging them. Pretty weird, but not without an example. Also, not being able to create one’s own talk page [using DiscussionTools] while all other talk pages on the wiki can be created is probably much more confusing.

Okay good points @Whatamidoing-WMF and @Tacsipacsi - I'll remove the If this is your page, log in to start creating the page... from the mockup.

Re:

I recall seeing someone who started conversations with others on this user’s own user talk page by pinging them. Pretty weird, but not without an example. Also, not being able to create one’s own talk page [using DiscussionTools] while all other talk pages on the wiki can be created is probably much more confusing.

@ppelberg @Whatamidoing-WMF Is there a reason why don't automatically create this page for users when they create an account?
If we did then we could design your user page more intentionally.

Just discussing this ticket with @ppelberg - since this ticket is about a user talk page (not /your/ user talk page) we are good to go to move this over into implementation. I've updated the description and will move on workboard and remove myself as assignee.

Change 708713 had a related patch set uploaded (by DLynch; author: DLynch):

[mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools@master] Apply an empty-state to pages with the new topic tool enabled

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/708713

@DLynch: are you able to adjust the implementation to include the copy I've posted to the task description?

**Whatever word the local project uses to call talk pages.

We don't do this in any other messages (we mostly use "talk page"). The translators can adjust it, but that's language-specific rather than project-specific.

***This link should link to the local project's equivalent page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4592334.

I don't think I can do that. I don't know of a way to write a wikilink that disambiguates itself through wikidata. (We'd also be adding a dependency on wikidata, which would be weird.) The linked pages aren't consistently in the same namespace, also, so I can't just fall back on {{ns:project}}. I could leave it up to translators... but, again, that's language-specific rather than technically project-specific.

In T274831#7257101, @DLynch wrote:

**Whatever word the local project uses to call talk pages.

We don't do this in any other messages (we mostly use "talk page"). The translators can adjust it, but that's language-specific rather than project-specific.

I've been operating with the assumption that we can and do localize "talk page" to match the language local projects use in the interface, per T259943#6447062.

...@DLynch might how I'm thinking about this be different from what's actually been implemented?

Mm, I might be being too picky about this.

What we’re doing in most of our translations is leaving it up to the translator what term is used. This does mean that if you’re viewing enwiki in German, you’re going to see it using the same terminology as on dewiki. There’s a notional difference between a project and a language, which is what I’m being picky about, but I suspect in practice the effect is what you want.

I've been operating with the assumption that we can and do localize "talk page" to match the language local projects use in the interface, per T259943#6447062.

That one was specifically talking about the preferences heading, I believe. In that case, we're using the core translation prefs-discussion which the project may or may not have updated to match their labeling for the talk namespace (but if they haven't, they've had years to do so and probably don't care).

E.g. you'll note that on enwiki the talk message has been overridden from the default "Discussion" to "Talk", but the prefs-discussion message is still the default "Discussion pages" (as you can see in the editing-settings).

You can use this talk/discussion page to start a discussion with [[User:USERNAME|USERNAME]] that will be public for others to see. You can learn more about this page [[en:wp:User_pages|here]]*.

**Whatever word the local project uses to call talk pages.

• DECISION: we'll leave it up to the translators and projects to ensure the language used for "talk page" aligns with the copy used in said projects' interface messages

[[en:wp:User_pages|here]]

• DECISION: We're going to create the messages based on the pages linked on Wikidata when we deploy to them.

Change 708713 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools@master] Apply an empty-state to pages with the new topic tool enabled

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/708713

Change 711670 had a related patch set uploaded (by DLynch; author: DLynch):

[mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools@master] Apply design tweaks to empty states

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/711670

Design tweaks:

1. Reduce image size to 75%
2. Revert the override on spacing

cc @DLynch

This should obviously apply to: T274831 T274832 T277329

I'm going to make a separate ticket about copy.

Change 711670 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools@master] Apply design tweaks to empty states

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/711670