Talk:Q47531644

Hi Raimundo Pastor! Thanks for creating such a detailed item! I propose that the item should be only about the historic site and not the university - identifiers such as http://www.isni.org/0000000419370239 should only be on University of Alcalá (Q1243904) and not on this item. I think you can indicate the relation between the two items with part of (P361) and has part(s) (P527). Similarly, the departments such as Facultad de Derecho (Universidad de Alcalá) (Q5854816) should be parts of University of Alcalá (Q1243904) and not of this item. − Pintoch (talk) 12:46, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Hola Pintoch! Gracias por tus comentarios. En Alcalá de Henares, se considera que la "nueva Universidad de Alcalá" es una continuación de la "Universidad de Alcalá histórica". Ya que ocupan los mismos edificios, incluso el rectorado está en el principal edificio de la antigua Universidad (el Colegio Mayor de San Ildefonso), y sigue sus antiguas tradiciones y ceremonias (por ejemplo: inaugurar el curso académico el 18 de octubre). Por eso los edificios actuales de la Universidad de Alcalá son los mismo y, por tanto, son "Universidad y recinto histórico de Alcalá de Henares". Por ejemplo, he puesto el enlace a "Facultad de Derecho (Universidad de Alcalá)" (Q5854816) porque está en el edificio del antiguo "Colegio Máximo de los Jesuitas"; al igual que el "Parador de Alcalá de Henares" está en el antiguo "Colegio-Convento de Santo Tomás (Alcalá de Henares)" (Q27574688). Un cordial saludo:--Raimundo Pastor (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Raimundo Pastor: Thanks for your reply!

I don't dispute your knowledge of the institutions - it is just that the statements you have added cause problems in Wikidata. Let me explain why.

• First, identifiers such as ISNI (P213)0000 0004 1937 0239 should be on at most one item. Currently we have both University and Historic Precinct of Alcalá de Henares (Q47531644)ISNI (P213)0000 0004 1937 0239 and University of Alcalá (Q1243904)ISNI (P213)0000 0004 1937 0239, which is forbidden (it is called a constraint violation). If you click on http://www.isni.org/0000000419370239 you will see that this identifier is for University of Alcalá (Q1243904), not University and Historic Precinct of Alcalá de Henares (Q47531644). So you should remove it from this item (and do the same for all other identifiers which were already on University of Alcalá (Q1243904)).
• Second, properties like has part(s) (P527) are transitive Wikidata property (Q18647515). That means that if we have Ahas part(s) (P527)B and Bhas part(s) (P527)C, then we implicitly have Ahas part(s) (P527)C: there is no need to add it ourselves. So, we should just have University and Historic Precinct of Alcalá de Henares (Q47531644)has part(s) (P527)University of Alcalá (Q1243904) and University of Alcalá (Q1243904)has part(s) (P527)Facultad de Derecho (Universidad de Alcalá) (Q5854816), but not University and Historic Precinct of Alcalá de Henares (Q47531644)has part(s) (P527)Facultad de Derecho (Universidad de Alcalá) (Q5854816) (because it is redundant).

Is it clearer? If you need help, you can ask at Wikidata:Café and point them to this discussion. − Pintoch (talk) 22:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Hola @Pintoch:! Gracias por sus observaciones. Creo haberlas comprendido, y he realizado las modificaciones indicadas. Por favor, repase el estado actual de la página University and Historic Precinct of Alcalá de Henares (Q47531644), para comprobar que esté todo correcto. Un cordial saludo:--Raimundo Pastor (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)