User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings

It's good to see you here too. You have been busy; great! Robin Patterson (talk) 08:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Military properties

Good evening! I can see that you are dealing with military Properties
If usefull I have collected my self the enclosed Properties

Military properties
Jean de Lattre de Tassigny (Q81114)	Q8018776	Peter Ustinov (Q55796)	Carl Gustav Fleischer (Q3499537)	Bjarne Øen (Q4570107)	German battleship Scharnhorst (Q155222)	Army Norway (Q1771854)	Bundeswehr (Q56010)	Operation Weserübung (Q150939)
commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598)	commanded by (P4791)	military branch (P241)	military rank (P410)	position held (P39)	conflict (P607)	headquarters location (P159)	has part(s) (P527)	order of battle (P4220)
French Far East Expeditionary Corps (Q2997796)	Q21651731	British Army (Q222595)	major general (Q157148)	military officer (Q189290)	World War II (Q362)	Lillehammer (Q3745117)	German Navy (Q56015)	Norwegian Campaign order of battle (Q7061041)

Breg Pmt (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your username after your death

Hello 👋🏻,

Jeff G. and I were wondering what would happen to your username after you die 💀? Would you let one of your loved ones request a rename to the year of your death? -- Donald Trung/徵國單 (討論 🀄) (方孔錢 💴) 18:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever notices me dead first, I hope you will keep an eye out for me! If I do not log into my Google account for 1 month it sends a message to my daughter that I am probably dead.

You are welcome to leave her your username, password, and instructions in your will, or to choose a new username like RAN at M:Special:GlobalRenameRequest. — Jeff G. ツ_{please ping or talk to me} 23:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

COVID form

Hi there,

I've created this form that help set up items like Ronald William Lewis (Q89957906) very quickly. I hope it speaks for itself but if you have any questions I'd be happy to help. --1Veertje (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job, thanks! --RAN (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I should tell you about the hidden feature where if you put in "Tuesday" it will get the last Tuesday before the publication date of the source you're citing as the DOD or if that's not given the last Tuesday before today. I should fix that if the news article is published on a Tuesday it takes that day. At the moment it will be off by a week. It's why the DOD is a free input field. Only English is supported for now. 1Veertje (talk) 06:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Long Time, No See

Welcome back! I hadn't seen your name in a while and did a double take. I hope that all is well with you. Alansohn (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked in English Wikipedia, which is a shame, I find probably three errors a day that go uncorrected. Working here and on the Library of Congress project adding their photos with context to Commons.

check out my tools

Hi! I think you might like my tool New Q5 and its sibling covid-obit. --1Veertje (talk) 10:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SPA - Swedish Portrait Archive

I saw you used SPA. I have a tool I am developing for uploading pictures if you are interested

video
Add to common.js see my User:Salgo60/common.js

 importScript( 'User:Salgo60/spa2commons3.js' );

- Salgo60 (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Salgo60: Excellent, thanks! I wish they added the dates for the publications they are taken from, it will help date the photos. I notice most are released under a "creative commons no commercial use" license, but most appear to be in the public domain. Is there any plan to upload all the ones that are in the public domain? Is there a way to let the database creators know you have more information? Some one might be listed as "L. Olson" but when I find the full name, I add it to Wikidata, but their database should be updated too. --RAN (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another video

a) Omar who has scanned 880 000 pictures started without sources and books so the dates we dont know but it books from 1900

b) yes licensing is open and free https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ BUT can they set copyright for something they just have scanned...

I havent argued with them. All scanned are in category c:Category:Uploaded_with_spa2Commons if we should change license

b-1) if you find a opicture with a specific license let me know I can change the script to read the licebse info

c) There are more Facebook groupos open group / for members / technical groupo

d) upload all - no plans I guess its to many "normal people"

e) I can just click on the name and update it. I guess you need to be member... let me know if you would like to be member I can pay for you but I guess I have to tell the people your Facebook account number

- 23:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

They just approved my Facebook! How much does it cost to be able to edit? Have they considered adding a link to the person in Familysearch at SPA? --RAN (talk) 23:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I can pay its abt. 100 SEK or something. I guess its easier for everyone if I pay with the Swedish payment system sv:Swish
- Family Search: You can add URLs. I tried to convince them using Wikidata Qnumber for locations but it was never done - Salgo60 (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am https://www.facebook.com/richardarthurnorton

I also wish the people that do the Swedish Death Index would just put it online, instead of making you buy a version on a USB drive. --RAN (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Swedish Death index I guess will never be online. The people developing SPA has "cracked the CD" so we have the data ;.-) And I asked the owner of the data https://www.rotter.se/ and get first a maybe that we should be able to match all people in SPA and set a death date. But they changed and it was a no, I guess genealogy societies needs to earn some money and right now its just by selling USB... - Salgo60 (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you add the familytree function at Commons: Commons:Category:Anton Julius Winblad ?--RAN (talk) 00:57, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

havt seen it but it makes sense... I am happy seeing father/mother/child in the Wikidata infobox.... in sv:Wikipedia it normally doesnt appear.... - Salgo60 (talk) 13:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Member SPA

I got this answer

1) Log in with your facebook account and register on the page https://swedishportraits.com/membership
2) select how you will pay I guess paypal is your inky option

Let me know or ask in the FB group if you have problems - Salgo60 (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unanitz

I tried to figure out from where you took this name variant (Special:Diff/1527514807). I fail to find any sources beside Wikipedia that associate "Unanitz" to Alatskivi. Per sources like [1] and also your own notes on Wikisource Unanitz is in Ingermanland. Hence "Unanitz" for Alatskivi is probably wrong as Alatskivi definitely wasn't in Ingria (Ingermanland). I also traced Wikipedia info down to your edit comment where you mention a library inquiry (en:Special:Diff/501391964). The latter however doesn't explain much and apparently also constitutes unwanted original research (en:WP:OR). 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:B9BA:AFCE:64AE:9C12 10:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

it came from "Han war född på Alatzliwi 1662 ( Stjerman i fin Matr . fåger på Unanitz i Ins germanland ) , och dog i Malmø 1737. Rortan bar 3 bånkrader och en liten dålig orgel mes 2 stammor . De Jyske Handels Expediter hafwa på egen koftnad åt sig ..." see; https://books.google.com/books?id=3VdiAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA159&dq=%22Unanitz%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-1-PxzZ30AhWNlWoFHc8FB-YQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Unanitz%22&f=false Have I misinterpreted it? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

My understanding of Swedish is limited. If I get it right then "född på Alatzkiwi 1662" means that he was born in Alatskivi. However, what is the part in brackets (..."Unanitz i Ingermanland" – "Unanitz in Ingria") about? I still don't think that it could suggests that Unanitz stands for Alatskivi as the latter wasn't in Ingria.

As for birth place, there seems to be some sort of confusion around it in sources. Other sources that you have referenced on the other hand explicilty say that Cronman was born in Ingria. Perhaps this confusion is explained in some source, or do we know which sources are more reliable in this matter? 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:FB:6438:6C23:DF4 21:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, so I have created a new entry Unanitz (Q109606988) and will add a note to the transcription at Commons:File:Johan Cronman (1662-1737) in Karl XII's officerare biografiska anteckningar.png about the confusion, and the question of whether they are the same place or not. As you can see at the translation there is difficulty figuring out which battles described correspond to our entries at Wikidata, which may be using a place name from another language. We tend to only have entries for major battles of Swedish wars. --RAN (talk) 22:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To me the confusion is about whther Cronman was born in Unanitz or Alatskivi, not about whether the places are the same. I don't see what exactly in some source may suggest the latter. Though, it'd nice if someone fluent in Swedish and otherwise proficient in reading such documents could explain what exactly does given source say in brackets about Unanitz. 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:88D9:622B:4D50:8640 11:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability of F.A.G.

Greetings, On your user page you wrote several notes about your utter confidence in the reliability of user-generated geneaological information on Find-A-Grave. I propose that it should be regarded as "generaly unreliable" unless an entry is proven otherwise, somehow.

Firstly, F.A.G. doesn't include any real sources, other than photos of the sites themselves -- but there's no authority control, so conflations are easy, mistaken identity runs rampant, and besides, how reliable is a grave marker inscription, anyway? Have you ever correlated them with birth/death certificates? They can vary wildly just because of various needs to put on a good face for posterity.

Secondly, F.A.G. tends to aggregate data and it accretes in there as people submit more and more. Therefore, they err on the side of completeness and indiscriminate collection of facts, rather than their correctness. I myself have submitted many updates and corrections, and never was I required or even requested to provide a source for the data I found. Now I had meticulously checked sources and they're in my genealogy trees, but it's simply impossible to attach sources to F.A.G. facts and data. You can't do it. Forget it. You can put a text obit in there, but that's not a source. You can make a citation, but that's not a formal attachment.

F.A.G. is fundamentally unreliable, and so without a total makeover/redesign of the site to change its purpose, F.A.G. must be regarded by us, and other researchers, as suspect.

I can't tell you the number of times I've found fake, misleading, conflated, and simply wrong data in user-generated family trees. Those errors propogate well, too: amateur researchers love to pile on the fake "facts" cribbing from others. Then that gets shoveled into F.A.G. uncritically. I submit updates all the time and never has a manager questioned anything, messaged me for any reason, nor ever rejected my unsubstantiated changes.

In fact I would enjoy seeing one or two celebrities mess with F.A.G. as they've messed with Wikipedia. What if Stephen Colbert or Jim Gaffigan got their fans to vandalize F.A.G. and insert outlandish data in there, or even data that's subtly false but flies "under the radar". They could have a field day with Richard Arthur Norton's Ultimate Source of Truth... Elizium23 (talk) 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are conflating an Identifier with a reference. If you do not want Findagrave as an Identifier, then lobby to have Findagrave delisted as an Identifier, and we can delete it from every entry. I never said that I have "utter confidence" in Findagrave, as you mentioned, both Wikipedia and Wikidata themselves are also crowdsourced, yet the Library of Congress links to Wikidata in their LCCN database and Wikipedia was found to have fewer errors than Encyclopedia Britannica. Every data set has errors, the error rate determines reliability, and the ability to make corrections. You wrote: "I would enjoy seeing one or two celebrities mess with F.A.G.", odd that vandalism brings you joy, but everyone deserves some joy in the lives. BTW, none of the data points are derived from Findagrave, Findagrave is used as an Identifier, not a reference. Findagrave can have a picture of a tombstone which has birth and death information, and confirms where someone is buried. Again, lobby to have Findagrave delisted as an Identifier, so it can be removed from every Wikidata entry. Having a slate of Identifiers at Wikidata allows the information to be corrected across platforms, when an error has been detected. At one time I searched for Wikidata entries that had two different years for birth_date, I stopped the search at 5,000. By your definition, Wikidata is unreliable. --RAN (talk) 14:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Imperial University of Dorpat student ID

Wikidata:Property proposal/Imperial University of Dorpat student ID - to make serious and publicly available references easier to find. I just got a visit on my talk, questioning notability of students from the (European) Imperial University of Dorpat (Q28024477) which I didn't understand, since role=student (conceptual) and the role-having human (material) seem to fall under "clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity" and identifiers providing a link to further "serious and publicly available references".

A user raised concern because the ra.ee-archive containg digital copies of student registry books - the primary source for the IDs - requires a log-in for items to be seen. Maybe you can address this with respect to the requirement "publicly". Anyway, secondary sources of the IDs exist. BergwachtBern (talk) 18:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]