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Archive July 2007

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Category:Historical Markers

Is there any reason at all that this isn't Category:Historical markers? I notice that there is exactly one item in the latter, which is not hooked into the category tree, but it's the one that follows our naming rules. Can we just get a bot on this? - Jmabel | talk 19:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've added a move templates (pointing here) to it and the similarly named subcategories. /Lokal_Profil 15:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Seeing no objection, I've made a request at Commons:Bots/Requests#Three categories to move. - Jmabel | talk 05:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Which is apparently the wrong place to ask for this. They sent me to User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. Is there some central place to get a list of where one makes requests for various administrative actions? - Jmabel | talk 02:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I have some additional requests for cat renames based on this request. If this is a clear reason for the capitalisation that is currently used, please explain why. Siebrand 07:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Rename Category:Canada National Historic Sites to Category:National historic sites of Canada (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (user parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Canada National Historic Sites;National historic sites of Canada;r;

Rename Category:Historic Sites Schleswig-Holstein to Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein (432 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (user parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Historic Sites Schleswig-Holstein;History of Schleswig-Holstein;r;

Rename Category:National Historic Sites of the United States to Category:National historic sites of the United States (0 entries moved, 81 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (user parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. National Historic Sites of the United States;National historic sites of the United States;r;

Rename Category:State Historic Sites of the United States to Category:Historic sites of states of the United States (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (user parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. State Historic Sites of the United States;Historic sites of states of the United States;r;

My proposals:

1. Category:National historic sites of Canada (designations by Minister of the Environment (Canada))

2. Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein (not only historic sites)

3. Category:National historic sites of the United States (designations by National Register of Historic Places, Federal government of the United States)

4. Please, clean this category, since most pictures have to be categorized only in Category:Poplar Forest. After this operation, I'll consider the deletion of the category. --Juiced lemon 11:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

National Historic Sites is a proper noun, at least in the US. I can't speak for other countries. So I'd leave it capitalized. ++Lar: t/c 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

2 of my proposals are grounded on the spelling of List of national historic sites of Canada. A proper name usually point to an unique entity. Plural for proper names is odd, in my opinion. In the other hand, you can still have plural in a proper name, like National Register of Historic Places, but it is an unique organization. --Juiced lemon 15:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The first three will be moved now. Please rephrase what you like done to the fourth. I'm not sure I understand. Cheers! Siebrand 07:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Poplar Forest is a “Registered Historic Place”, and is located in Virginia. “Registered Historic Place” is an United States label which is granted by National Register of Historic Places.

In my opinion, State Historic Sites of the United States is a wrong category name, because you can interpret it as a category for historical sites registered by a state institution. I didn't find such state institutions. Since this category is an erroneous concept, it's useless to rename it unless we can find an appropriate subject.

According to the contents, the more appropriate subject is Category:Poplar Forest. So, remove the Poplar Forest pictures which are already categorized in Category:Poplar Forest, and move the others. --Juiced lemon 09:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, OK, I understand.  Erledigt. Cheers! P.s. please take a look at the cats to be renamed in the topic at the bottom of this page. Siebrand 10:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Villages by country

Some bot filled up this section with hundreds of maps of villages in US states, primarily Michigan, Ohio, NM, Missouri. I discovered it while looking for some generic village images. I moved some singletons over to where they belong, but it will take another bot to fix this. There are proper cats for:

• Category:Maps of Michigan
• Category:Maps of Nebraska
• Category:Maps of Ohio

... and so forth. BeeTea 13:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The maps can be moved to Category:Locator maps of cities in Michigan, Category:Locator maps of cities in Missouri, Category:Locator maps of cities in North Carolina, Category:Locator maps of cities in Nebraska, Category:Locator maps of cities in New Mexico and Category:Locator maps of cities in Ohio. --Juiced lemon 15:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll do something with category.py tidy. For this I'll have to add some cats to Category:Villages by country first, to get the choices. Please give me some time. Placement in this category is done by CommonSense. Unfortunately this does not always work exactly right :) Siebrand 16:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Darn. The bot does not work... I have asked a developer to take a closer look at it. I have reverted the temporary changes I had made to some categories. Siebrand 17:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 Erledigt Siebrand 19:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Musical genres and Category:Musical groups by genre

Is there any intelligible distinction between Category:Musical genres and Category:Musical groups by genre? If so, could someone clarify in text on the respective category pages and look to see if the subcategories make consistent sense? Thanks.

Also, I see that many images of groups are contained directly in Category:Musical groups by genre, which makes no sense to me at all. - Jmabel | talk 05:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

In theory Musical groups by genre could be a subcategory of Musical genres (and musical groups) but that requires that we have some content that belongs to Musical genres but not musical groups by genre. I don't know what that content would be. Samulili 08:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

All images of sheet music, for one ;) . Musical instruments sometimes are associated with a certain genre. There are loads of sound samples of certain styles of music, these belong to a genre, not to a musical group. So, Category:Musical groups by genre should be a subcategory of Musical genres. As for images directly in Category:Musical groups by genre: in a dream world everyone would categorize their uploads in a meaningful way, but unfortunately, it isn't so. --rimshot^talk 09:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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First, I recommand you the reading of this section. So, your question regards the difference between Category:Musical genres and Category:Musical groups: I think that you'll guess the answer, as for the difference between Category:Collars and Category:Dogs.

However, you'll notice that the criterion for Category:Musical groups by genre is “musical genre”, but not “genre”. So, the category could be renamed Category:Musical groups by musical genre, as any other category “by musical genre”, subcategory of Category:Categories by musical genre. --Juiced lemon 17:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It should be obvious that when one is categorizing musical groups by genre, the genre is a musical one. Therefore there is no reason to repeat the word. Samulili 19:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There are 2 reasons to do so:

1. Each artistic domain can have its own genres, like musical genres or literary genres: we don't save anything to confuse them.

2. Allowing any person to use the database with a basic knowledge of the English language. --Juiced lemon 20:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to say I agree with Samulili here. As for your reasons: I don't quite understand 1., I am afraid. Are you saying that it's problematic that there is a musical as well as a literary style Baroque? I don't see how that can be a problem. And your second reason: if someone doesn't understand "genre", he won't understand "musical genre" either. If someone doesn't understand "musical group", the whole point is moot, as he will never even have arrived at the category "Category:Musical groups" and therefore will never need to find out what "Musical groups by genre" is about. I cannot think of a scenario where adding redundant information will help in any way. --rimshot^talk 09:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

So far, this is all clear as mud. In particular, how can individual photos belong in a category called Category:Musical groups by genre, or anything of the sort? - Jmabel | talk 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the first sentence of the linked section:

These are special categories which are useful to group other related pages (not media files) according to a given criterion..

If this sentence is not clear enough for you, it means:

It is strictly forbidden to categorize media files in any “category by CRITERION”.

--Juiced lemon 19:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

So why this tone when you are apparently agreeing with me that these pictures don't belong there? -- Jmabel | talk 04:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

To repeat what I said above: you know that they don't belong there, I know, and Juiced lemon knows. The people who put them there don't know, unfortunately. I guess your (repeated) remark about that made it seem like you weren't so sure either that they really don't belong there. I have added a few words to Category:Musical groups by genre, to make it clearer to others as well. --rimshot^talk 09:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the tone: some passing annoyance, due to the difficulty to explain some basic things about classification. --Juiced lemon 11:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)