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Archive October 2015
Topic not clearly definable. Propose deletion of this cat in addition to Category:Nymphets and Category:Faunlets already worked on this month. Achim (talk) 09:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Delete Agree, incapable of objective definition and potentially offensive to subjects. Rodhullandemu (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted as per nom and Rodhullandemu. Subjective and not useful. --rimshottalk 00:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Duplicate of Category:Ultar Peak. This Cat was empdied, files moved to the other cat --Rupert Pupkin (talk) 23:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Rupert, shoult it read Category:Hunza Peak? --Achim (talk) 08:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- My mistake, sorry. It's "Sar" instead of "Peak". It should read: Duplicate of Category:Ultar Sar. This Cat was empdied, files moved to the other cat. Then it makes sense... --Rupert Pupkin (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- Alles klar, danke. --Achim (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- My mistake, sorry. It's "Sar" instead of "Peak". It should read: Duplicate of Category:Ultar Sar. This Cat was empdied, files moved to the other cat. Then it makes sense... --Rupert Pupkin (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Ultar Sar. --Achim (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Should be called Category:Boys' choirs. A choir will be for many boys. See en:Boys' choir. Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Support Should be considered "non-controversal" and done after the miniumum discussion period ends if not sooner. Davidwr (talk) 05:36, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:13, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be called Category:Girls' rights because grammar. BethNaught (talk) 20:06, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agreed: the possessive plural of girl is girls’.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:14, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support Should be considered "non-controversal" and done after the miniumum discussion period ends if not sooner. Davidwr (talk) 05:35, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:11, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Irrtümlich erstellt, bitte löschen. Es gibt schon Arte Tv logos. Hiddenhauser (talk) 22:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted, author's request on creation day. Taivo (talk) 20:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be Category:Boys' clothing of Indonesia per the parent category Category:Boys' clothing and grammar. BethNaught (talk) 07:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan. Multichill (talk) 20:51, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be Category:Girls' dresses per grammar and the parent category Category:Girls' clothing. BethNaught (talk) 07:42, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be Category:Adolescent girls' clothing per grammar and e.g. Category:Girls' clothing. BethNaught (talk) 07:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be Category:Girls' dresses in the Los Angeles County Museum of Art because grammar. BethNaught (talk) 07:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Should be Category:Designers from Scotland. Typo. BethNaught (talk) 08:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Spelling: should be Castles in Bitlis Province. BethNaught (talk) 08:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Spelling: should be Category:Aviation magazines of the United Kingdom. BethNaught (talk) 09:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Spelling: should be Category:Auxiliary bishops of the United Kingdom. BethNaught (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- The category already seems to have this title, although there currently is a redirect from the misspelled variant. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Taivo 7 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Spelling: should be Category:Uniforms of the United Kingdom. BethNaught (talk) 09:54, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Renamed --Stefan4 (talk) 16:55, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Incorrect name. (Missing 'd'). Contents now in cat. 'Calvary Chapel and Church, Gyöngyös' Globetrotter19 (talk) 18:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Taivo 7 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 14:07, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Spelling: should be Category:Falkland Road railway station. BethNaught (talk) 11:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Typo corrected. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any need for this (cross-type ?) category. The parent category is enough. IMHO, can't be expanded more. C messier (talk) 06:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Agree. Cat name was created identically to filename. --Achim (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 9 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 14:11, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Category names should be in English, and the current name is unclear in English. I transferred the files in this category to "Category:Disarticulated taxidermy in the Muséum de Toulouse" but the change has been reverted by Archaeodontosaurus", so I am listing the category for discussion. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 05:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it is like that it should be done. If you take the time to watch the two human skulls that are das this category, you'll see that there's one in France and one in the United State. In fact this taxidermy technique is widespread, but we do not have a lot of photography for the moment. It is named after its inventor. It is possible that the name I gave to the category, is not in a very good English, I would be very telling if you can offer me a better formulation. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe a better name can be suggested if you explain what the purpose of the category is. If the category is not only for files relating to Muséum de Toulouse, what about just using "Category:Disarticulated taxidermy"? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 08:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- We have a lot in Toulouse because we are a old museum, but all major collections have specimens "to Beauchène". In recent years some taxidermists resumed the technique of the nineteenth century, but is very expensive. These days the taxidermy disarticulated, are no longer like that; transparent resins are used where the parts are included. So taxidermy "to Beauchène" are only part of disarticulated taxidermy. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, I suggest "Category:Disarticulated taxidermy in the style of Claude Beauchêne". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes here seems very good. Regards --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I have renamed the category. I am glad we reached consensus on the issue. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 17:28, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Everything is perfect, here was a pleasure working together. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I have renamed the category. I am glad we reached consensus on the issue. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 17:28, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes here seems very good. Regards --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, I suggest "Category:Disarticulated taxidermy in the style of Claude Beauchêne". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- We have a lot in Toulouse because we are a old museum, but all major collections have specimens "to Beauchène". In recent years some taxidermists resumed the technique of the nineteenth century, but is very expensive. These days the taxidermy disarticulated, are no longer like that; transparent resins are used where the parts are included. So taxidermy "to Beauchène" are only part of disarticulated taxidermy. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe a better name can be suggested if you explain what the purpose of the category is. If the category is not only for files relating to Muséum de Toulouse, what about just using "Category:Disarticulated taxidermy"? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 08:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Disarticulated taxidermy in the style of Claude Beauchêne by Jacklee 2 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 09:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
a) Spelling error b) Redundant to Category:Families of Germany Rudolph Buch (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree, moved single subcat entry Category:Erbslöh to Category:Families of Germany and tagged speedy. --Achim (talk) 07:50, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 10 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 09:23, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
double with category:Stele Aristionos NAMA 29. Empty. Therefore should be deleted. My fault, no care enough when creating. Jebulon (talk) 16:25, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 9 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
There is an other one with same name. Globetrotter19 (talk) 13:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed to be a typo. Tagged {{Bad name}} --Achim (talk) 14:09, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 9 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 07:57, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Kann die Kategorie in "Wayside cross Hergottsacker (Deidesheim)" umbenannt werden? F. Riedelio (talk) 07:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Why should it get renamed? There are more than 100 categories Category: Wegekreuz ... on Commons, so I don't see any need of renaming this one. --Achim (talk) 08:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Weil auf der Projektseite steht: Die Namen von Kategorien sollten in der Regel englisch sein. --F. Riedelio (talk) 15:42, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sollten in der Regel, aber nicht müssen. In diesem Fall würde ich es so belassen. Dass es sich um wayside crosses handelt, wird ohnehin durch die übergeordnete Kategorisierung klar. --Achim (talk) 20:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- OK, ich ziehe den Umbenennungsantrag zurück. --F. Riedelio (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Danke, F. Riedelio! --Achim (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- OK, ich ziehe den Umbenennungsantrag zurück. --F. Riedelio (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sollten in der Regel, aber nicht müssen. In diesem Fall würde ich es so belassen. Dass es sich um wayside crosses handelt, wird ohnehin durch die übergeordnete Kategorisierung klar. --Achim (talk) 20:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Weil auf der Projektseite steht: Die Namen von Kategorien sollten in der Regel englisch sein. --F. Riedelio (talk) 15:42, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without action, renaming req withdrawn. --Achim (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Undiscussed rename from Category:610 mm gauge locomotives. Yet again, Commons (and maybe a non-English language speaker) is inventing bizarre name formations by compounding words, against all notions of COMMONNAME or correct and commonplace use.
Category:610 mm gauge locomotives is correct. The idea that "All Commons categories must use matching name patterns" is nonsense - that is just not how either MediaWiki, nor the English language, work. "Track gauge" was itself a somewhat bizarre formation, pushed into Wikimedia projects by the banned sock Tobias Conradi. Do banned trolls now get to define global naming policies?
Andy Dingley (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Both categories redirected to Category:2 ft gauge locomotives by Andy Dingley. --Achim (talk) 11:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
There was an other cat. (Category:Kossuth utca (Kiskunfélegyháza)) with same content. Globetrotter19 (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Globetrotter19, apart from that this cat name contains a typo - it's not clear to me whether you want the Hungarian name or the English one to be kept. --Achim (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi! The Hungarian, please. - - --Globetrotter19 (talk) 11:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're welcome! --Achim (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi! The Hungarian, please. - - --Globetrotter19 (talk) 11:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 11 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Mistyped cat. 'buildings' (bouldings) Globetrotter19 (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Túrelio 11 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 12:25, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
vgl. Category:Train stations in Herisau --Schofför (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Die übliche Benennung ist "<Name> railway station" (englisch) oder "<Name> train station" (amerikanisch). "Train stations in Herisau" weicht von diesem Prinzip ab und sollte deshalb gelöscht werden. Die Unterteilung eines Bahnhofs in verschiedene Teile, wie hier Normalspur und Schmalspur, sollte nur vorgenommen werden, wenn eine grosse Zahl von Medien vorliegt und eine eindeutige Zuordnung möglich ist. Beispielsweise ein Luftbild darf nicht einem Teil zugeordnet werden. Von daher halte ich die Aufteilung bei bisher lediglich 14 Bildern (die meisten von mir) eher für unsinning. -- Gürbetaler (talk) 22:25, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- See, as an example Category:Railway stations in Kent -- Gürbetaler (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Gürbetaler, thanks for your explanation. --Achim (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Dupe Category:Train stations in Herisau deleted by JuTa 11. October 2015. --Achim (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
orginal muesum housing 64.233.210.166 01:30, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Have no idea what that means. Category looks fine, though I doubt it should be "hidden"... AnonMoos (talk) 12:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Why dos this category needs discussion? It looks fine to me Lotje (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Though, I wonder what Category:CfD 2015-10 stands for. Lotje (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- User:AnonMoos: See User talk:Michael Barera/archives/2012#some Ford cats for an old discussion about this category and a note that it is hidden. There isn't an explanation of why it is hidden. Davidwr (talk) 05:47, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Michael Barera: Can you tell us something about the hidden status? --Achim (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sure. They were created by the content creator (the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum) and correspond to their internal organization of the images. The GFPLM wanted to preserve this structure for its own purposes (during what was at the time an active collaboration with Wikimedia Commons) but at the same time didn't want it to interfere with Commons' own hierarchy of categories. There are a whole bunch of these GFPLM-side hidden categories, corresponding to the artifacts, documents, and photographs they donated as part of the previous partnership. Long story short, the GFPLM wanted these categories for its own purposes (including metrics) but didn't think that the community would find them terribly useful.
- I'd recommend making a decision on these categories en masse; either leave all of them as hidden, or make all of theme visible. Michael Barera (talk) 19:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Michael Barera: Can you tell us something about the hidden status? --Achim (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Why dos this category needs discussion? It looks fine to me Lotje (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Procedural close and optionally re-list en masse per User:Michael Barera's comment of 19:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC). No opinion yet on what I will say at any new discussion. Davidwr (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- As the media are accessible via other categories I suggest to keep the categories mentioned above hidden and close this cfd request. Thanks to Michael for his explanations. --Achim (talk) 20:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- My pleasure! Thanks for having this discussion and inviting me to it. All the best! Michael Barera (talk) 23:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- As the media are accessible via other categories I suggest to keep the categories mentioned above hidden and close this cfd request. Thanks to Michael for his explanations. --Achim (talk) 20:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without further action. --Achim (talk) 12:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I return to Wikimedia commons to find that this category has been merged with Category:Ureter??? These are NOT the same anatomical structure. Please view either the articles on a local language Wikipedia, a dictionary or a textbook to work this out. I propose that the images and media that were incorrectly merged into this category be moved back to their correct category, Category:Ureter. LT910001 (talk) 10:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Yann is marked as deleting the category and may be able to provide more information about where the discussion relating ot that deletion took place.
- @Pmau removed the category "Ureter" from an image and marked it (incorrectly, and despite the image title) as "Urethra" [1], so presumably participated in said discussion
- @CFCF is at least one user familiar with anatomy, and also the uploader of said image above, who may be able to contribute to this discussion.
Kind regards,--LT910001 (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Confirmed, seems to have been a single action of User:Pmau of 14 August which I did revert now. --Achim (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Done, added some more images to Category:Ureter. LT910001, satisfied the way it is now? --Achim (talk) 13:00, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks :). I'll let you know if we have a problem with Category:Mussels or Category:Ice in the future =P. --LT910001 (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Moved some media back to correct Category:Ureter and set see also. --Achim (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
already exists as Category:Wiki Education Foundation staff - delete this as redundant - also I just made this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted, req by author, dupe of Category:Wiki Education Foundation staff. --Achim (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
151.41.47.225 16:05, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Nothing to do, cfd req reverted, test or vandalism by ip. --Achim (talk) 17:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm no expert - is there a reason to have both this category and Category:Vernacular architecture of Hungary ? Thanks! Themightyquill (talk) 10:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Both of them are subcats of Category:Vernacular architecture by country which contains 49 subcats named Category:Vernacular architecture of ... and (aside Hungary) just 5 subcats Category:Traditional architecture.... From this point of view merging into Category:Vernacular architecture of Hungary seems to be reasonable. --Achim (talk) 09:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Merged into Category:Vernacular architecture of Hungary and set a redirect. --Achim (talk) 11:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Seems to be dupe of Category:Chinnamasta Bhagwati Temple, Saptari. Achim (talk) 12:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Done Files moved, cat deleted. Yann (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- The title of the category Category:Chinnamasta Bhagwati Temple, Saptari is wrong it must be Chinnamasta Bhagawati Temple, Saptari. here is the english wiki page Chinnamasta Bhagawati Thanks--Biplab Anand (Talk) 08:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- बिप्लब आनन्द, thanks for your hint, I added it to CommonsDelinker so it will soon be processed automatically. --Achim (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Renaming done by CommonsDelinker. --Achim (talk) 11:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- The title of the category Category:Chinnamasta Bhagwati Temple, Saptari is wrong it must be Chinnamasta Bhagawati Temple, Saptari. here is the english wiki page Chinnamasta Bhagawati Thanks--Biplab Anand (Talk) 08:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Done by Yann: Files merged and cat deleted. --Achim (talk) 11:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
ةخةشرص ئض1111111111 197.37.255.63 11:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Nothing to do, test or vandalism by an ip. --Achim (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
SOHO images are not freely licensed, category created by banned user. All images in the category should be deleted as well. 189.25.244.90 19:23, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Out of process scope, moved to Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Solar and Heliospheric Observatory images. --Achim (talk) 08:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Seems to be a synonym for Category:Cinnamomum cassia ? Themightyquill (talk) 12:49, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Seems to be a synonym for Category:Cinnamomum iners and Category:Cinnamomum verum as well. The description explicitly says: Dubious synonym for several aromatic Cinnamon species. Probably best to keep it this way. --El Grafo (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I didn't notice that boilerplate and was just going by the redirect on English wikipedia. Perhaps that is where the change should be made... - Themightyquill (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without action. --Achim (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Moved from Category:Ribat related names: Achim (talk) 17:58, 9 October 2015 (UTC)This category was deleted without fair discussion. I demand an explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashashyou (talk • contribs) 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Info: Preceding cfd was
This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive.
There is zero connection between the entries in this category, other than the belief of one editor in some kind of shared etymology. Note that a parallel category on the English Wikipedia is in CfD at en:WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_1#Category:Ribat_related_names. Rupert Clayton (talk) 19:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Yann 13 September 2015. --Achim (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2015 (UTC) |
Category was re-created by Ashashyou 22 September 2015.
pinging @Rupert Clayton: , @Yann: . --Achim (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- Someone should check the huge efforts done to the category before its deletion. I have provided explanations and subtitles inside the category to help understanding the effect of Ribats on the world cultures. Otherwise i will need plenty of time to reorganize it and providing explanations as i do not have access to the deleted category. Please be fair and someone put the last deleted version here in the discussion.--Ashashyou (talk) 07:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Up to now no one promotes keeping this category. So the only possible way preserving your data is to keep them in a user page, user gallery or user category of your user name space. If you agreed to that it could get restored. --Achim (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps if someone see the modifications i made to the last version before its deletion, then all will have no objection on the category. Please ask someone with proper authorization to get the last version of the category before deletion. I know that things can not be deleted without a trace on commons. Thank you for the fair discussion.--Ashashyou (talk) 05:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Up to now no one promotes keeping this category. So the only possible way preserving your data is to keep them in a user page, user gallery or user category of your user name space. If you agreed to that it could get restored. --Achim (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Deleted: Single entry category, previous discussion closed 09/15/2015, outcome: delete. No improvements between versions, no improvement for Commons. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 07:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Again the category was deleted without reply on my request to see the last version before deletion. Perhaps if someone see the modifications i made to the last version before its deletion, then all will have no objection on the category. Please ask someone with proper authorization to get the last version of the category before deletion. I know that things can not be deleted without a trace on commons. This is an unfair discussion. Please check the last version before deletion and comment on it to make the discussion fair. One other thing is that i have received a message from someone outside this discussion with vague meaning. Please be straight forward if anyone need to say anything.--197.246.56.71 17:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)--Ashashyou (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Deleted: Single entry category, previous discussion closed 09/15/2015, outcome: delete. No improvements between versions, no improvement for Commons. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 07:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted by Hedwig in Washington 14 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Still, no fair discussion was done--Ashashyou (talk) 14:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ashashyou, I copied your text to User:Ashashyou/Ribat related names. The case is closed for a) no one proposed keeping, and b) it reads like an article but not as a category description. --Achim (talk) 10:05, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
This category only contains private images that I have nominated for deletion. If the files are deleted, this category will be empty and shoul be deleted too. BrightRaven (talk) 08:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Info: file deletion request. --Achim (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete --Jonund (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Empty, deleted. --Achim (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Category:Ukrainian history exhibition from Feldman family collection at avec fine arts gallery
[edit]This category only contains private images that I have nominated for deletion. If the files are deleted, this category will be empty and shoul be deleted too. BrightRaven (talk) 08:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Empty, deleted. --Achim (talk) 11:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
What's the definition of this cat? Sanandros (talk) 15:55, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Let's ask the author @Vysotsky: --Achim (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Identical category as Category:Algemene Inlichtingen- en Veiligheidsdienst, created by User:Sanandros on 14 Oct. 2015.
Category:Security Service of the Netherlands was created on 30 May 2015. Vysotsky (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)- But that called on en wp en:General Intelligence and Security Service.--Sanandros (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Identical category as Category:Algemene Inlichtingen- en Veiligheidsdienst, created by User:Sanandros on 14 Oct. 2015.
Although I generally think that the oldest category should be maintained, I emptied the (oldest) Category:Security Service of the Netherlands & redirected it to Category:Algemene Inlichtingen -en Veiligheidsdienst. Two main reasons: I don't like to waist time on discussions, and Wikidata was already connected to AIVD. Good luck. Vysotsky (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Redirected by Vysotsky 20 October 2015. --Achim (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
MOUAD MANSOURI MOUAD2001 (talk) 15:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Mouad, what do you want to discuss? --Achim (talk) 09:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Nothing to do. --Achim (talk) 20:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Nominate for deletion. These photos have been taken secretly and published without my permission. 93.106.0.16 16:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- We can see an IP number only, so you should at least tell us who you are. --Achim (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- I thought that a picture taken of a performer at a public occasion like a writer performing at a book fair can be published without a special permission being asked. It may be different if she or he is walking around there as a private person. --Annelis (talk)(I have forgotten how to sign properly. Annelis)
Out of process scope, moved to Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Maritta Lintunen. --Achim (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Para ordenar y hacer mantenimiento Tusca~enwiki280 (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without action, cfd req reverted, see also User talk:Tusca~enwiki280. --Achim (talk) 14:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Mistyped and there is a same cat Category:Harminckettesek tere (Budapest) Globetrotter19 (talk) 16:39, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted, dupe with bad name. --Achim (talk) 19:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
in gesprek met vriendin/ interresse 145.53.35.19 23:44, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Closed, this does not appear to be a valid topic for CfD; please discuss on the talk page. Rodhullandemu (talk) 23:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
I assume this should be merged to parent category Category:Odeon Theatre, Bucharest. Same building, just the Romanian name rather than the English one. Jmabel ! talk 05:32, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Both categories are subcategorized crosswise, Category:Odeon Theatre, Bucharest is the older one, so I agree merging the other into it leaving a redirect thereto. --Achim (talk) 10:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Definitely merge. - Themightyquill (talk) 14:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Seems clear that a merge is in order. DONE. - Jmabel ! talk 15:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Thats not a ship of 2015 but a model, so the category name has to be changed. Achim (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Niña (ship model, 2015). --Achim (talk) 19:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
This category used to contain just one file, which was moved level up (Category:Temporal population graphs). Looks like it should be deleted. Demmo (talk) 21:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I have searched for media suitable for this category. Now it is filled with 6 media and thus should not be deleted.Torsch (talk) 08:14, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Wonderful, now the category is indeed meaningful. Demmo (talk) 07:54, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without action. --Achim (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't see the sense of this cat as I can't see any proof that all these people where in ROK Army Special Forces. Sanandros (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- as a firefighter who used to work with those people, I know and confirm it with official papers that they are all from Republic of Korea Army Special Forces. Many firefighters have a background in Special Forces becuase Korea Fire Service regularly recruit them as rescue workers. I thank you for opening the discussion. --최광모 (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Answer of a trustworthy user. --Achim (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept without action. --Achim (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Category:Palmeiras-Barra Funda station is the right name because Barra Funda is a train, metro and bus station The Photographer (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept as cat redirect. --Achim (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
voglio essere una persona come tecnologica Tounkaragigi (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Nothing to do, cfd req reverted. --Achim (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Please delete. Picture is now under Category:Rhyspitz (ship, 1970). Roland.h.bueb (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted. --Achim (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Nymphets is a massive inappropriate category name for young girls. Prosfilaes (talk) 01:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree --Achim (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- so has the term Category:Lolicon --66.213.14.116 18:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Different discussion. Lolicon is the normal word for a pretty clearly defined set of things, without much of an alternative, whereas nymphets, at least in this usage, is not clearly defined nor the normal word.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree again, Category:Lolicon should be kept while Category:Nymphets should get deleted after reassigning its content. --Achim (talk) 17:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category cleared by Vomitup1 19 October 2015. Empty now, so it can be deleted. --Achim (talk) 09:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Different discussion. Lolicon is the normal word for a pretty clearly defined set of things, without much of an alternative, whereas nymphets, at least in this usage, is not clearly defined nor the normal word.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- so has the term Category:Lolicon --66.213.14.116 18:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Deleted. --Achim (talk) 09:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
This category has the exact same problems as Category:Nymphets. Prosfilaes (talk) 03:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree. Delete rather than redirect. - Themightyquill (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Cleared and deleted. --Achim (talk) 09:50, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Is there a good reason that this category uses "colleges and universities" rather than the normal "universities and colleges"? If so, I don't see it. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- If I counted correctly there are 41 other categories matching colleges and universities in their names. --Achim (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- But are there good reasons for any of these 41 exceptions? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:30, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- Obviously not. Renaming for consistency here would be fine. - Jmabel ! talk 06:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
- But are there good reasons for any of these 41 exceptions? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:30, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Seemingly no opposition in over a month. Moving with redirect. - Themightyquill (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Change to "Wikimedians by Wikimedia project" to differentiate from "Wikimedians by community project". Community projects include outreach events like the Wikipedia Education Program, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves (whatever), ArtAndFeminism, and the other community projects. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I have no problem with that. (I created the category in May 2011, in order to move its subcats out of Category:Wikimedians.) - dcljr (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Bluerasberry & Dcljr - There seems to be consensus here and I'd be happy to make the changes but should I...
- redirect Category:Wikimedians by project to Category:Wikimedians by Wikimedia project, or
- move everything to Category:Wikimedians by Wikimedia project and delete Category:Wikimedians by project, or
- leave Category:Wikimedians by project with Category:Wikimedians by community project and a newly created Category:Wikimedians by Wikimedia project as its only two subcategories?
Thanks. - Themightyquill (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Option 3 seems best to me (#1 doesn't address the potential confusion mentioned by Blue Rasberry, and #2 breaks existing incoming links from other websites, people's bookmarks, etc.). - dcljr (talk) 05:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Option 3 Themightyquill, yes, the options you propose are also the ones I see, and option 3 is the most thoughtful choice. You understand the issue and I agree with Dcljr that there should not be move but rather a new category and further differentiation within it. "Wikimedians by project" should be a category only containing other categories. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
New Category:Wikimedians by Wikimedia project created. The other two categories are now its sub-categories. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
This is a deeply ambiguous name, whose contents appear to be throughly confused, and which lacks a description. It is also questionable for it to be included in its current parent category (Category:Signs). JesseW (talk) 06:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @JesseW: Thanks for bringing this to discussion. While the image contents are mixed (most of the 100+ images should go in the unconnected Category:Rail tracks - I'll move some now), the sub-categories are all reasonably connected. It seems they would deserve some kind of connecting parent category, but while "tracks" is admittedly too ambiguous, I can't think of anything good off the top of my head. Category:Signs of past routes? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- You're right, there is a concept there which should be expressed somehow. Category:Impressions left by objects maybe? JesseW (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- That definitely sounds better than my suggestion, though it's somewhat imperfect to use "objects" when the category covers human and other animal tracks. We also need to figure out where to put it. I don't totally understand the contents of Category:Impressions but it seems to be for something else entirely. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: I used "objects" in order to include Category:Vehicle tracks. Regarding appropriate parents... maybe Category:Shapes in nature or Category:Environmental impact by effect, although neither of those seem particularly appropriate. JesseW (talk) 07:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- @JesseW: . Thinking of it now, "Impressions left by objects" would include stamps and wax seals, paper printing and a host of other things. I think including "routes" or "paths" or something similar would make sense, since all tracks indicate routes. It could then be placed in a category related to route. Most of these occur in nature and impact the environment somehow, but muddy footprints on a kitchen floor wouldn't qualify. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: Including stamps & wax seals might be a feature, not a bug. :-) (Or at least a good candidate for a parent category.) Nevertheless, it would be good to have some phrase describing just the current subcategories ... maybe, Category:Impressions left by traveling objects? I don't like using "routes" or "paths" because they imply (at least to me) an intention on the part of whatever left the impressions that they be followed, which isn't always (or even often) the case. JesseW (talk) 05:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds fine to me. Put it in Category:Travel, and Category:Impressions left by objects, with the latter created as a subcategory of Category:Impressions and Category:Objects ? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:55, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: Including stamps & wax seals might be a feature, not a bug. :-) (Or at least a good candidate for a parent category.) Nevertheless, it would be good to have some phrase describing just the current subcategories ... maybe, Category:Impressions left by traveling objects? I don't like using "routes" or "paths" because they imply (at least to me) an intention on the part of whatever left the impressions that they be followed, which isn't always (or even often) the case. JesseW (talk) 05:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
But what should be do with this category? I'd like to mark it as 'ambiguous, but I'm not sure if we have a way to do that... JesseW (talk) 02:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well, we can mark it as a disambiguation category with the {{Disambig}} template, but it won't stop people from filling it with images of train tracks and other things, which I understood was kind of the problem to begin with. If we're going to do that, we might as well just leave it at Category:Tracks and put a note at the top explaining what the category is for. Otherwise, we could redirect the category to Category:Impressions left by traveling objects or even just delete it, so as to discourage people from adding the category carelessly. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- {{Disambig}} works -- Commons:HotCat enforces it (at least for people using HotCat). For everyone else, I don't think a red-link is much of a deterrent. JesseW (talk) 18:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
So, the current proposal is:
- Create Category:Impressions left by objects in Category:Impressions and Category:Objects
- Create Category:Impressions left by traveling objects in Category:Impressions left by objects and Category:Travel.
- Mark Category:Tracks with {{Disambig}}, suggesting Category:Rail tracks and Category:Impressions left by traveling objects.
If no-one objects to this in a month, I will go ahead and do it, and close this CfD. JesseW (talk) 18:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Turned into disambiguation, files and sub-categories moved to Category:Impressions left by traveling objects. Themightyquill (talk) 13:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Duplicate to Category:Indigenous people and Category:Indigenous culture. Rudolph Buch (talk) 11:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, and all the images contained are already sorted into more specific categories. Delete. - Themightyquill (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Added {{Bad name}} and removed images from category. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Tosca based on his play but he did not work on its libretto Fleur-de-farine (talk) 10:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
No opposition in months, and the category is empty. Deleting. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I was going to merge with Category:Muslims by country, but there seems to be something specific going on here related to the former Yugoslavia. Is there a better (clearer) name that would work? Thanks. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Some investigation revealed en:Muslims (nationality), so I'm going to propose a move to Category:Muslims (nationality) or Category:Muslims (Yugoslav nationality) and a deletion of the existing category. - Themightyquill (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
No opposition in a month. Category created by anon-ip, so I can't ping them for input. Moving to Category:Muslims (Yugoslav nationality). Themightyquill (talk) 14:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
nahezu identisch mit Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Lindenthal (Leipzig) Canon55D (talk) 12:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ich habe die Cultural heritage monuments in Lindenthal als Unterkategorie von Category:Lindenthal (Leipzig) eingerichtet und sogar noch zwei Dateien ausfindig gemacht, die in die Ortsteilkategorie, nicht aber in die Cultural heritage-Kategorie gehören, damit sollte die Sache geklärt sein. --Jwaller (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept, more content now. --rimshottalk 23:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Redundancy with Category:Ciconiidae on stamps Tragopogon (talk) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree should probably be a {{Category redirect}}. --El Grafo (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's a general problem, see Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/08/Category:Cygnus on stamps. --Achim (talk) 12:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Done redirected BMacZero (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
There is no such term in the history of architecture. Ghirlandajo (talk) 07:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Googling leaves only 1 non-wikipedia/wikimedia link. --Achim (talk) 07:53, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Albedo-ukr: Delete? --Achim (talk) 18:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- as fork of classicism in Russia's empire, FI etc I suppose to leave--Albedo-ukr (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Albedo-ukr, then I propose renaming it to Category:Neoclassical architecture in the Russian Empire. --Achim (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- so, @Achim55: names always must be academically corect? as above? not. so I rather for first name, but your proposal is not bad as whole--Albedo-ukr (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Albedo-ukr, then I propose renaming it to Category:Neoclassical architecture in the Russian Empire. --Achim (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- as fork of classicism in Russia's empire, FI etc I suppose to leave--Albedo-ukr (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Albedo-ukr: Delete? --Achim (talk) 18:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Neoclassical architecture in the Russian Empire. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Pointless excessive categorisation. Downmerge Category:MG engines into Category:MG automobile engines and downmerge Category:MG racing engines into Category:MG racing automobile engines. Or else upmerge them instead, I don't care. But 4 categories where 2 will only ever be container for the others is nonsense. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes, downmerge as you initially suggested, don't upmerge. It makes sense to be as specific as possible, and since all of the images are of automobile engines, there's no need to have Category:MG engines or Category:MG racing engines. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- I downmerged Category:MG engines but I feel that Category:MG racing automobile engines has its place as a subcategory of Category:MG automobile engines. BMacZero (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
One category merged, the other left alone with no further discussion in months. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
It seems like a time-based division with Category:Royal Palace, Bucharest is causing confusion. In my opinion, we should use this category for interior photos and the other one for exterior photos ore something similar, simple to grasp Strainu (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'd have no problem with that. Do you have any thoughts on Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/11/Category:Muzeul Municipiului Bucuresti? - Jmabel ! talk 16:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Category descriptions change to reflect Strainu's suggestion and make the difference clear. Note that this category was moved to Category:National Museum of Art of Romania in February 2016 by Gikü while still under discussion, but the language of the category was not the issue here. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Een aantal van deze foto's is gemaakt op en om Fort Bezuiden Spaarndam en niet Fort Benoorden Spaarndam. 145.132.187.234 13:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Dan kunnen de betreffende foto's naar de categorie 'Fort Bezuiden Spaarndam', daarvoor hoeft de categorie niet aangepast te worden. --Hannolans (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- I have added a category 'Voorstelling bij Spaarndam' and moved some pictures to that category or Fort bezuiden Spaarndam. I assume it is now fixed?--Hannolans (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- No respone in 6 months, assume this as fixed. --Hannolans (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have added a category 'Voorstelling bij Spaarndam' and moved some pictures to that category or Fort bezuiden Spaarndam. I assume it is now fixed?--Hannolans (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Closing as resolved. Thanks, Hannolans. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
legal discription of the diference between tools equipment Mallardart156 (talk) 16:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're asking for the difference between tools and equipment? As an example, a helmet is firefighting equipment, but not a tool. With some exceptions, Category:Tools by function is generally more specific to a particular action (cutting, lifting, clamping), whereas this category could theoretically be renamed Category:Equipment by activity. Category:Equipment by association is a little more confusing to me. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Closing, since there's no request for any particular action. --ghouston (talk) 04:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I and DenghiùComm (talk · contribs) disagree in question, is the redirect useful or not. I think, that De Filippo is not a person known well over the world. Some family names have de and some De and this mistake can easily be done by others, including myself. Taivo (talk) 16:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Eduardo De Filippo is one of the most popular and famous theater writer and actor in Italy (1900-1984). He is part of an artist family (Peppino De Filippo, Titina De Flippo, Eduardo Scarpetta). The family name De Filippo is world wide known. So, in all WP pages in the world about it, his name is written in the correct form De Filippo and not de Filippo, how we can see here. This is the reason because IMHO this redirect is to delete, simply because it's a mistake and not a different manner to write or to pronounce this name. But if somebody think that it is useful to keep this redirect, I can accept it. It's not important. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Weak support Hotcat and the search bar show both in the autocomplete options, which is icky. Most of the autocompleting fields autocomplete case-insensitively so it won't be hard for a user to find the category even without the redirect. BMacZero (talk) 23:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with BMacZero. I'm generally in favour of keeping redirects of likely mispellings, but in this case, the autocomplete would likely correct the situation better than a redirect. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Done: The lowercap in Italy for "de" is very rare. It's useless to maintain a redirect for a mispelled name. Ruthven (msg) 06:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See "Geography by place": I think "by location" is much better. Reykholt (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree
Comment I agree with the new category "by location", but i think the most important thing has to be consistence with the geographical category (and possibly with other similar earth science categories to be created, like "geodesy by location" i.e.): so i support both the changes or none of them. Ciaurlec (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Redundant --Allforrous (talk) 13:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
DELETED Taivo (talk) 07:04, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
After some discussion with Globetrotter19, we're still at an impasse. I'm unconvinced that this category is necessary, whereas Globetrotter feels it is useful to use Category:Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) as a metacategory. Does anyone else have thoughts on the matter? Thanks. Themightyquill (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I think it is good if we have separate categories about the building of a museum and the collection of the building. It is easier to find something. --Rlevente (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Rlevente: Absolutely, and I have no problem with Category:Collections of the Budapest Historical Museum. The question is whether we need both Category:Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) and Category:Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) - building, or whether images in the latter category could just fit in the former. - Themightyquill (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
The photos of the collection of the museum shold be in Category:Collections of the Budapest Historical Museum, the images of the building shold be in Category:Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) - building in order to separate them. --Rlevente (talk) 09:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- But if the collections are in Category:Collections of the Budapest Historical Museum and the images of the building are in Category:Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle), they are already separate. What about Category:Exterior of the Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle), which would fit in Category:Museum exteriors? - Themightyquill (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Globetrotter19: Are you okay with a move to Category:Exterior of the Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) ? - Themightyquill (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, okay! Thanks. - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 20:44, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Exterior of the Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle) and Category:Interior of the Budapest Historical Museum (Buda Castle). - Themightyquill (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Merge into Category:Campsites in the United States. "Campgrounds" is the more well-developed category so really this should be a nomination of Category:Campsites in the United States to merge into Category:Campgrounds in the United States followed by a move/rename of the resulting category back to Category:Campsites in the United States. The choice of name is to be consistent with the other categories in Category:Campsites by country. Prior to making this nomination, I added a temporary "see also:" convenience-link to both categories so those who see only one of the two will quickly find the other. Please recommend whether these "see also" links should stay or go in the event this nomination fails to gain consensus to merge the categories. Davidwr (talk) 17:09, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
- I think here we have a British/American difference. In the U.S., "campgrounds" refers to designated areas for camping. These areas include commercial campgrounds and park areas that are marked and usually if not always contain facilities for campers (like fire areas). "Campsites" are defined from the point of view of the camper. A person in a trailer (caravan) at a park campground considers that place their "campsite". Usually, however, a campsite refers to the location of a single vehicle or tent (or small group of tents) in an improvised or nondesignated area. I think these distinctions are valid. An American photo of a tent in the woods is a photo of a campsite, not a campground. A photo of a group of caravans in a park near the beach is a photo of a campground. It is also a campsite from the point of view of the campers, but Americans would not search for "campsite" to find this photo. I am OK with merging the categories into "campsites" but there should be a redirect from "Campgrounds in the U.S." and a note on the Campsites page stating that photos of campgrounds (especially the larger commercial ones) are in a subcategory, perhaps "Commercial and park campgrounds in the US". Downtowngal (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
- I also think there's a valid distinction between the two, as described above (there are some interesting photos of early explorer campsites on commons that wouldn't be classified as campgrounds). Couldn't the "campground" cats simply be subcats of the "campsite" ones, since by definition a campground is a particularly designated campsite? --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 06:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, the "campground" cats can be subcats of the "campsite" ones, if a redirect is also created as I suggested. It will be one more instance of the non-American English style taking precedence (as Americans will search for "campgrounds" far more often than "campsites"). I am not complaining though. I recognize that consistency is needed. Downtowngal (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- I found a lot of images listed in "campsite" categories that are probably better off listed as "Motorhome Stopover." and I'm pretty sure some of the stuff I've added deserves to be there. "Kampgrounds of America (KOA)" could just as easily get that category as well. ----DanTD (talk) 13:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, the "campground" cats can be subcats of the "campsite" ones, if a redirect is also created as I suggested. It will be one more instance of the non-American English style taking precedence (as Americans will search for "campgrounds" far more often than "campsites"). I am not complaining though. I recognize that consistency is needed. Downtowngal (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- I also think there's a valid distinction between the two, as described above (there are some interesting photos of early explorer campsites on commons that wouldn't be classified as campgrounds). Couldn't the "campground" cats simply be subcats of the "campsite" ones, since by definition a campground is a particularly designated campsite? --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 06:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- I think here we have a British/American difference. In the U.S., "campgrounds" refers to designated areas for camping. These areas include commercial campgrounds and park areas that are marked and usually if not always contain facilities for campers (like fire areas). "Campsites" are defined from the point of view of the camper. A person in a trailer (caravan) at a park campground considers that place their "campsite". Usually, however, a campsite refers to the location of a single vehicle or tent (or small group of tents) in an improvised or nondesignated area. I think these distinctions are valid. An American photo of a tent in the woods is a photo of a campsite, not a campground. A photo of a group of caravans in a park near the beach is a photo of a campground. It is also a campsite from the point of view of the campers, but Americans would not search for "campsite" to find this photo. I am OK with merging the categories into "campsites" but there should be a redirect from "Campgrounds in the U.S." and a note on the Campsites page stating that photos of campgrounds (especially the larger commercial ones) are in a subcategory, perhaps "Commercial and park campgrounds in the US". Downtowngal (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Done: made Campgrounds a subcategory of Campsites as per discussion above. This is of course not definitive, since "campground" and "campsite" appear to be used interchangeably, e.g. Category:Campgrounds redirects to Category:Campsites. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
"place" has in my opinion a rather unclear definition, "location" is much better and sounds more scientific Reykholt (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- oppose - For myself, I'm not so interested as sounding more or less erudite (Geography is NOT a science, but a classification discipline focused on places and locations within such areas) as much as providing a clear and consistent title that fits with other categorizations.
Notice that the PARENT, upper level category PLACES has been consistently in place <g> since 2004, so the name is consistent.
Further, the sub-cats are not point sources, but surrounds containing many locations (however un-erudite), much as an place address for an apartment house has dozens of apartments. Cities are not a single location, nor are continents, landforms, countries, oceans or seas, nor regions.
Such classifications are mathematically SETS of Locations--perhaps an infinite number of such points in strict theory, should we wish to be more erudite; but does classifying them mathematically make them more understandable?
Nay, for Places and Locations are dependent upon context and scope of the discussion, perhaps equivalent only when both are items on a list.
Places often convey a social meaning, that is understood because the name is so common, New York and London references are rarely misunderstood for they have an intrinsic uniqueness in cultural contexts. The former may sometimes be used in phrases to mean a state in the federal system of the USA, but references to the city in common usage far outweigh the references to the larger political surround; yet both are places which context makes plain in a well constructed sentence. NYC is far more similar to a 'location' than the State of New York, yet in discussion points, both are clearly places, however unfocused in location. In sum, places have a certain vagueness to them culturally, linguistically, and socially that carry other meanings, and each is a general collection of locations (i.e. addresses).
One can know the place a friend lives (That 35 story high rise) without knowing the location of her apartment (unit number), and one can imagine sitting in her living room on either a couch or the green easy-chair, but also understand the former has 3-4 'seating locations' in that couchy place, but only one on the other. Locations, in short are more specific. Places more general, so hierarchically, both have differing shades of meaning.
Given the general theme of places and it's position in the upper levels of classifications herein, I'd oppose any renaming for the forgoing reasoning. Place has had it's place here in the classifications system since the founding of the commons. I see no reason to change it. // FrankB 06:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Agree Comment I agree with the new category "by location", but i think the most important thing has to be consistence with the geological category (and possibly with other similar earth science categories to be created, like "geodesy by location" i.e.): so i support both the changes or none of them. Ciaurlec (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Just so we're clear on this, Places is a fundamental category very near the root in the well thought out scheme of overall classification worked out by the multilingually concerned META committees as the Wikimedia Foundation spawned sister projects. Changing such a fundamentally linked title should not be undertaken, nor suggested lightly.
- Comment Further, localization issues need be considered. I've experienced discussions here where a seemingly straight forward English name (e.g. Traincar) apparently blows up and becomes an awkward construct in various other languages. Hence this decision should only be undertaken with vetting by Native speakers of non-English. In English, location and place can be considered effectively synonymous, so I fail to see any need for this change. Perhaps the nominator can give us a better rationale than his perception of how it appears to him. // FrankB 17:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Not done: closing stale discussion that seems to have no consensus for this anyway. I have however created Category:Geography by location, redirecting here. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Commons has Category:Newcastle upon Tyne for the settlement in North East England. The metropolitan borough covers a slightly broader area, for instance including Dinnington. That means having a separate category for the Category:City of Newcastle upon Tyne could add value, in the same manner as making the distinction between Bradford and the City of Bradford adds value. With this in mind, what should Category:Newcastle upon Tyne contain?
Some options:
- The City of Newcastle upon Tyne
- The former County Borough of Newcastle upon Tyne
- The Newcastle upon Tyne subdivision of the Tyneside Built-up Area
- The unparished area within the City of Newcastle upon Tyne
- Something else?
IMO one thing we must do is use a concept currently used by reliable sources. That excludes anything we just construct ourselves. With this in mind:
- Support using the City. Clearly in use by sources, and if we can't sensibly identify a sub-unit we should not attempt to do so.
Oppose using the former Borough. Its been defunct for over 40 years. The settlement has expanded in that time and there is no reason to believe its boundary actually means anything today.- Support using the Built-Up Area subdivision. Is used by at least one source (ONS) and reflects the urban area naturally. It excludes Newburn, Throckley, Woolsington, Hazlerigg.
- Oppose using the unparished area. As far as I can tell its unused, its not actually a single unit (its an area without units) and its unnatural, not reflecting the urban area. It includes Throckley, but excludes the Newbiggin Hall Estate, Blakelaw and North Fenham
I may be able to support other options, but need them to be spelled out before I can evaluate. Note: If it is helpful to discussion I can produce maps showing the above areas explicitly.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:03, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Per above and the other discussion, the area contains parts that aren't part of the settlement but it all has the same base name ("City" is just a form of disambiguation). Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note that Category:City of Carlisle and Category:Carlisle, Cumbria are separate categories but Carlisle contains much more rural land (and many more parishes) than Newcastle-upon-Tyne and en:WP:WAX isn't necessarily a good argument. Is a cat with 6 (or 7 if Blakelaw and North Fenham is included) valid, I would've probably said yes but I do agree with the reasons that it arguably duplicate (particularly the argument about Blakelaw and North Fenham. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I think that you tagged the wrong page, didn't you mean to tag Category:City of Newcastle upon Tyne. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- No I meant to tag this one. The purpose of this discussion should be to establish what Category:Newcastle upon Tyne should contain. What belongs in Newcastle and also the City of Newcastle? What belongs in the City of Newcastle but not Newcastle itself? What is your preference here, and why?
- Only one of the options I have identfied affects Category:City of Newcastle upon Tyne (by merging it). But the choice between the others affects what goes in this category.
- Bear in mind that a category can be valid with any number of subcategories - including zero - the category is valid so long as it contains a non-zero number of related media files in it (and any subcats).--Nilfanion (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, I just thought that the category for merging is the one which the tag is put on. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:05, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
@Crouch, Swale: @Skinsmoke: Could you indicate what content you would like this category to contain? The ideal would a definition which says "reliable source X says Newcastle is <area on map>", and only two areas I am aware of meet that (the whole district and the built-up area).--Nilfanion (talk) 11:45, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- I can't find a map of the unparished area its self but its population is listed at w:Civil parishes in Tyne and Wear (as 174,235). Google Maps and the Ordnance Survey maps on Geograph (which is shown on the location of the images) shows parish boundaries. The boundary of Blakelaw and North Fenham can be seen here on Google Maps. To answer your question, I would suggest the unparished area, I agree its not ideal as Blakelaw and North Fenham is clearly part of the settlement while Throckley clearly isn't. See the setup for Category:City of Winchester which lists the parishes and then the unparished area at Category:Winchester. Correct me if I am wrong but the primary reason that you have listed the category for discussion is because of the Blakelaw and North Fenham/Throckley problem rather than the category's scope, otherwise you would probably have suggested Category:City of Carlisle be merged into Category:Carlisle, Cumbria. I would support the categorizing way that Winchester uses for everywhere, categorize by district, then civil parish or unparished area, then settlement in parish and ward in unparished area, then finally (for unparshed) settlement in ward, see Category:Ipswich for example. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, actually this is precisely why I started this CFD - and why I started here and not Carlisle or anywhere else. The unparished area within the City of Newcastle upon Tyne is not anything, its not a unit, nor is it the remainder of an abolished unit, it is merely the absence of units. It is certainly incorrect to direct people looking for "Newcastle upon Tyne" to an artificial construct - or do you have any sources that call the unparished area "Newcastle"?
- Blakelaw and North Fenham are an integral part of the settlement, the fact they are parished allows a more precise category for them - but they are part of the whole. All of this mitigates against the category called "Newcastle upon Tyne" being equated to the unparished area.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: With regards to other areas (this is not an exhaustive list). Winchester is nothing like Newcastle - its more like Carlisle again. Chester should both the unparished area and the parish of Chester Castle. The City of Carlisle is very different to the settlement of Carlisle, so separate cats are clearly needed there. But even there - the Civil Parishes are not necessarily the correct subdivisions.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- As I understand (correct me if I am wrong) you have nominated this only because of the Blakelaw and North Fenham/Throckley problem and not because of the scope (as you said 0 might even be enough) or because of the unparished area (as you would also have done the same with Winchester and Carlisle). In response to the unparished area problem, Newcastle upon Tyne did used to be a parish but there is no information on when it was abolished. If you look here, there were many more units that Newcastle upon Tyne did used to have but most of them probably don't exist any more. This is however not relevant to the discussion anyway as we are only looking what to do with the current unit, that is also taking place at Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/01/Category:Unparished areas in England. Per the reasons I suggested there I would suggest that we could still use it. In response I would now say this;
- Oppose The category can be set out in the same was as Carlisle and Winchester with a note on Category:Newcastle upon Tyne stating that it is about the unparished area only. This would keep things consistent with the other cities and districts although I do agree with the Blakelaw and North Fenham/Throckley problem. However Gateshead and South Shields are almost part of the settlement of Newcastle upon Tyne (only the river is separating them) and people might also think that they should be part of the cat, which is another argument for having just the unparished area as Newcastle upon Tyne as we then could start adding countless areas to the Newcastle upon Tyne category.
- Support The whole (district) unit has the same name and unlike Carlisle parts of the settlement are in the parished area while parts that aren't part of the settlement are in the unparished area. It adds confusion and complication with having 2 separate categories, "City of" is just a form of disambiguation as the district is simply called Newcastle upon Tyne as well. A note could be added that the category is only about the district and not about Gateshead, South Shields etc.
- Comment Change the layout and have Category:Civil parishes in Newcastle upon Tyne and Category:Unparished area of Newcastle upon Tyne. This would then mean that the "City of" category would be redirected to the main Newcastle upon Tyne category. If this way was to be used then we could do this with the rest of the country. Maybe we need to create an essay/guideline on how to categorize.
- I would (a bit reluctantly) be most in favour of option 1 (primarily) to keep things consistent with the other categories. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:59, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- My primary concern here is simply making sure Category:Newcastle upon Tyne contains something recognisable as "Newcastle upon Tyne". Whatever the unparished area is, it is not Newcastle (as evidenced by Throckley, North Fenham etc) so it should not be placed at that location. I don't think Gateshead or Wallsend are a problem to determining what the Newcastle cat should be, but the cat needs policing to ensure it stays clear of content for those areas.
- I am preparing a full review of all c 250 unparished areas, and will upload locator maps of each of those areas. This should form useful guidance for the broader situation. My opinion on that is while all Civil Parishes should have categories - the same is not necessarily true for unparished areas. Sometimes an unparished area definitely should have a category (eg Lundy), and sometimes I see zero point (eg the unparished part of the City of Westminster - which clearly is not Westminster!).--Nilfanion (talk) 10:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm now a little lost on what to recommend, I would recommend suggestions from others. It might also be worth pointing out Lungnuts's comment at w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British towns with no railway station about categorizing things by what they don't have, however because we need to categorize by place etc. I still think that unparished is a useful breakdown. Lundy surely gets a category mainly because its an island but it appears to now be part of Clovelly parish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, an unparished area category may be useful. In this case, I do not have an objection to Category:Newcastle-upon-Tyne (unparished area) existing - so long as its not at Category:Newcastle upon Tyne. Other units are potentially useful - I have repeatedly mentioned the Newcastle BUA in this thread as best match to the settlement of Newcastle.
- The Westminster unparished area is an extreme case, and a category for that area has near zero value. But again, so long as its Category:City of Westminster (unparished area) (and not Category:Westminster) its not actually harmful. That said - Category:Districts of the City of Westminster is clearly the best way to subdivide that borough.
- Unparished areas have other difficulties too - how many unparished areas are there in Brighton and Hove? How can one be justified when there are two distinct unparished areas? But what could the minor one be legitimately called?
- As for Lundy its not in Clovelly parish, and is included there due to limitations of census data.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Would you be happy with the option that I put as "comment" above? Also what do you think of Category:City of Gloucester? Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Its not necessary to create the Civil Parishes in Newcastle category, its fine to have the unparished area cat sitting in the same place as the CP cats. As for Gloucester, the situation there is complicated and I'm not sure if its helpful to split or not. I'd defer to sources - do they say Quedgeley is "in Gloucester" or "near Gloucester"?--Nilfanion (talk) 13:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, the article on Wikipedia states that it is a suburb but it is only just connected to Gloucester, the definition of suburb appears to include an area on the edge of a large town or city which probably means that Quedgeley might just be considered to be part of Gloucester. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't a source! :) No really, we need a source that Wikipedia would use itself. WP calls Innsworth a suburb of Gloucester, and Hucclecote a village - but its the "suburb" that is a CP in a different district and the "village" has been part of Gloucester for longer than Quedgeley. More seriously, Quedgeley is much more commonly said to be in "Gloucester" as opposed to in "Gloucestershire" in sources, such as news reports - indicating it is seen as part of the city not something independent.
- In the absence of any evidence that makes a distinction between the district of Gloucester and the unparished area of Gloucester - the City cat should be redirected to Gloucester, and Quedgeley placed as a sub-cat alongside Category:Hempsted and Category:Tuffley.
- Note also, like with Newcastle (but unlike Carlisle) the settlement matches the district much more closely than it does the unparished area. The area of the settlement clearly includes Quedgeley.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I wasn't using Wikipedia as the sole source, I was merely stating that that's what it is referred to as, as well as using the dictionary definition. The parish council website also doesn't define it either. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Fair enough. In this case, I would say absence of evidence is evidence of absence. We cannot find any evidence that "Gloucester" somehow means something other than the area covered by the City Council. If Gloucester meant the unparished area it would be easy to find that. Therefore - we should merge the two categories.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I wasn't using Wikipedia as the sole source, I was merely stating that that's what it is referred to as, as well as using the dictionary definition. The parish council website also doesn't define it either. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, the article on Wikipedia states that it is a suburb but it is only just connected to Gloucester, the definition of suburb appears to include an area on the edge of a large town or city which probably means that Quedgeley might just be considered to be part of Gloucester. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Its not necessary to create the Civil Parishes in Newcastle category, its fine to have the unparished area cat sitting in the same place as the CP cats. As for Gloucester, the situation there is complicated and I'm not sure if its helpful to split or not. I'd defer to sources - do they say Quedgeley is "in Gloucester" or "near Gloucester"?--Nilfanion (talk) 13:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Would you be happy with the option that I put as "comment" above? Also what do you think of Category:City of Gloucester? Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm now a little lost on what to recommend, I would recommend suggestions from others. It might also be worth pointing out Lungnuts's comment at w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British towns with no railway station about categorizing things by what they don't have, however because we need to categorize by place etc. I still think that unparished is a useful breakdown. Lundy surely gets a category mainly because its an island but it appears to now be part of Clovelly parish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Based on a discussion at User talk:Nilfanion#Districts I would now recommend keep. We appear to have agreed that the place would contain the places that are within the settlement and the district should contain places outside. City of Newcastle-upon-Tyne now contains only places outside the settlement. Skinsmoke (talk · contribs) do you also agree or do you think it should still be based on parishes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nilfanion and Crouch, Swale: Any chance this has been resolved over the last 5 and a bit years? It would be great to close the discussion. - Themightyquill (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'd still favour having "Newcastle upon Tyne" for the unparished area to be consistent with others such as Category:Cheltenham since although part of the parished area is urban most is rural. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:02, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Nilfanion@Crouch, Swale@Themightyquill: it seems that there is no opposing for the last User:Crouch, Swale's comment. Could you execute your proposal? If opposing will arise, it is probably better to start a new CFD, with stating conrete proposal(s) Estopedist1 (talk) 08:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1: I've already done so so perhaps this can be closed, while the unparishes v parished was objected to 6 years ago it this is now done for every other category like Cheltenham. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Nilfanion@Crouch, Swale@Themightyquill: it seems that there is no opposing for the last User:Crouch, Swale's comment. Could you execute your proposal? If opposing will arise, it is probably better to start a new CFD, with stating conrete proposal(s) Estopedist1 (talk) 08:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Closed per Crouch, Swale. --A1Cafel (talk) 06:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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The parent categories are conflicting. Category:Males by country and Category:Portraits of males are categories describing where men by their nationalities. Category:Portraits by country describes the portraits by their production area or by their current location, but not the nationality of the subject (in this case, the men). Do we need Category:Portraits of men by nationality and Category:Portraits of women by nationality to emphasize its the subject of the portrait in discussion? Do we need to have Category:Portraits of Italy of men (and equivalents) to distinguish what is being separated by country? Thoughts? I realize there is likely a lot of overlap (most portaits of Italien men are produced and located in Italy) but likely not in all cases. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
6 years old CFD. @Themightyquill: in generally, we don't tolerate <by nationality> categories. Per SQL quarry we have 0 categories consisting of <of_men_by_nationality> or <of_women_by_nationality>. Knowing this fact, could we move on with this stale discussion? Also pinging user:Auntof6--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not set on "by nationality" but the problem remains. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, the limitations of the English language to be concise, complete, and unambiguous while not becoming cumbersome and unnatural. Category:Portaits of Austria of males of Austria (under Category:Portaits of Austria of males by country, Category:Portaits of Austria of people of Austria by gender and Category:Portaits of males of Austria by country) seems a pretty cumbersome setup but might be the only way to be clear about the nationality of both the work and the subject, short of us just arbitrarily deciding we only care about the nationality of the work or of the subject but not both together. Josh (talk) 03:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
@Themightyquill: do you have a specific, concrete proposal here? After 6-1/2 years, there doesn't seem much point to keep a discussion in a state of "maybe we ought to do something about this." Also Pinging @Estopedist1, Joshbaumgartner who have weighed in. - Jmabel ! talk 23:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The problem remains, so I don't see the problem with leaving discussion open to flag the problem. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done: no consensus after 7 years. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)