Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baraa Kadek
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Know for being killed in an air-raid; There are not enough sources to prove that he doesn't fail WP:BIO1E. 2 of the sources do not mention him and he is identified as "one of the founders" of the agency. This article was prodded as needing more sources none were added. Domdeparis (talk) 10:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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-OPPOSE He is not known for being killed in an air raid, but for having founded two news agencies. One of those news agencies is the world's primary source of information from ISIS. The Amaq News Agency has its own page and this supports notability of its primary founder. He is the primary founder of Amaq rather than merely 'one of the founders'. The article has 5 sources including two from the main English newswires (AP and Reuters), and three covering the subject in Arabic, Italian and French. The editor who proposed deletion has, I must point out, a history of excessive proposing of deletion for pages which other editors feel clearly meet notability requirements. Instead of adding more sources themselves, they propose deletion of a perfectly good article. Kuching7102 (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
- (Please remember not to turn this discussion into a criticism of other editors as this is usually counter-productive. I am a new pages patroller and we tend to get a lot of abuse when we nominate pages for deletion, this comes with the territory but if you feel that I need to be admonished for abusive deletion nominations then feel free to take it to ANI. End of off topic comments, if you want to pursue the conversation please do so on my talk page.)
- Comment The agency may be notable but its founders are not inherently notably, WP:NOTINHERITED explains this quite clearly. I am quoting the source that you supplied (the Italian page says Era uno dei fondatori di "Amaq") when I said "one of the founders", the blog in French does not mention Baraa Kadek and if the translation of the article is correct, neither does the article in Arabic, so as I stated the only sources that you have provided talk about this person are following his death in an air-raid hence my reference to BIO1E. All the sources that I could find about this person mentioned him being killed in the air-raid and nothing before this. If you can supply in-depth sources that are independent to this one event I will happily withdraw my nomination.Domdeparis (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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The French source does mention him, under the name Rayan Meshaal. (L’agence aurait été fondée par le Syrien Riyan Mesh‘al) (The agency was founded by the Syrian Riyan Meshal). And the Arabic source does too, in paragraph 5. (The most important media institution for the organization, Amaq Agency, was founded by Aleppo activist Rayan Meshaal and seven of his colleagues from Aleppo News).
Unfortunately with a lack of serious investigative reporting, especially in the English language, and the obvious secrecy of IS, it is always difficult to find sources about people prior to their death. That is by no means is evidence of 'one event' lack of notability. Pruning useless pages is important but please err on the side of caution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuching7102 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- The French source is quoting the Arab source and it is in the conditional form in French "aurait été". Is the Arab source a reliable one? I cannot judge could you tell us what the source is so we can judge if it is reliable or not and can you tell us where we can find a source that says that these 2 names refer to the same person and one that is not just quoting a Facebook post? Domdeparis (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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- A new source has been added but this is again quoting a facebook post which is most definitely not a reliable source and it goes further to say in the second line of the article that "The extremist group itself has not reported the death of Baraa Kadek." So the sources in this article are almost exclusively based on a facebook report. Domdeparis (talk) 08:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Amaq_News_Agency#History. Almost all of the coverage is essentially (in brief and) about his death by airstrike—what about his entire career in journalism? We don't have sufficient sourcing to do justice to this topic. Redirect to his existing mention in the aforementioned agency article. czar 18:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: 2nd relisting in the hopes of getting some more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect and selective merge to Amaq_News_Agency#History. Sourcing on this guy is thin, but what info on him exists is a useful part of the Amaq article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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