Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louisville–Virginia rivalry

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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 17:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Louisville–Virginia rivalry

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I don't think this is actually a real rivalry, let alone a notable one (i.e., it fails WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG). In the ACC, each team has two designated rivals, which the team is guaranteed to play every year in football and twice a year in basketball (and I think with similar scheduling implications for other sports). The designated rivals were chosen to try to have as many as possible be traditional rivalries. For Virginia, one of their traditional rivals was Maryland, so Maryland was one of their designated rivals. However, Maryland left the ACC and Louisville joined the ACC, so starting in 2014 Louisville became a designated rival of Virginia. However, there was no pre-existing rivalry between the two teams. I don't think there is any specific coverage of this as a rivalry other than sources noting that the teams will now play each other. Perhaps now that the teams will play each other each year they will someday be real rivals, but for now this is just a scheduling note and not a real rivalry deserving of an article. Calathan (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Calathan (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Calathan (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Calathan (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Note to admin: Article alerts were down for 4 days of this AfD, so Wikipedians affiliated with WP:LOU or those who otherwise take note of their alerts may not have been aware of this AfD until last night. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 12:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ Delete ~~(although I can be convinced otherwise)~~. I found several independent reliable sources for the rivalry, but they discuss the forced nature of it, along with some crystal ball-ish longing for what might eventually happen. If Wikipedia normally includes "rivalries" made up by sports organizations with no history behind them, this would be a keeper. Otherwise, no. Also, as a Louisville native and U of Louisville alum, I bristle at something like this being forced down our throats. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 12:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This series is not notable as a rivalry because it lacks significant coverage as a rivalry in multiple, independent, reliable sources per WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. In fact, there is precious little history between these two universities and their sports teams to date. That it is a newly designated "cross-division" rivalry within the Atlantic Coast Conference does little to sway me; Louisville is new to the ACC, and a replacement for UVa's traditional rival, Maryland. The may rise to being a notable college rivalry in the future, but as of 2015, that it is a hypothetical future. Until then, UVa's biggest rivals remain North Carolina and Virginia Tech; Louisville's biggest rival remains Kentucky. With time, this may become a real rivalry, but not yet. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - While Tech and Kentucky are bigger rivals, no one claimed this is the biggest rivalry for each school. UNC is no longer a basketball rival for UVA because they don't see each other very often. The Louisville games were much more of "rivalry" games than the UNC game for UVA fans already this past year. There are arguments made that this is not a heated rivalry yet, but the very close games in 2014-15 heated some things up already. The football game featured a 40-person brawl between the teams, and the basketball games featured narrow margins of victory between top 10 teams. Justin Anderson famously broke his finger in the Louisville game and UVA was never the same. It's a rivalry now. Omnibus (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A user-uploaded Youtube video is not a reliable source per WP:RS. Please link to significant coverage of Louisville-UVa -- as a rivalry -- in multiple, independent, reliable sources as required by the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. If there is no significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources, then it's not notable as a rivalry. Good luck. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nakon 22:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree w/Dirtlawyer: No multiple, independent, in-depth, reliable sources. Neutrality^talk 16:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--per Dirtlawyer: I was unable to find sufficient independent, reliable sources about this as a rivalry; fails WP:GNG. The newly forced/scheduled games may eventually create a notable rivalry, but have not yet--inclusion now is premature per WP:CRYSTAL. Shanata (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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