Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Ninomiya

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:05, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Ninomiya

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WP:BLPCRIME. An article solely created because the person is alleged (not convicted) to have attempted to murder his son (not actually murder him, as the article claims). Fram (talk) 09:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 09:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 09:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Per nom, per WP:BLPCRIME. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another way of looking at this (not saying it’s a better way), is that all the sources, the references and others found online, as primary sources, they are reports, not stories, repeating the reported facts, no transformative commentary. Wait for sources with more comment, from a distant perspective, both in time and space. This is also called WP:NOTNEWS. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He has not been convicted of anything yet. I changed the charge in the article to "attempted murder" from "murder". This appears to run afoul of WP:BLPCRIME, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:BLP1E. In addition, he appears to be a non-notable martial artist. Papaursa (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete then redirect to Jōkō Ninomiya as WP:ATD as Joko is his father. Jumpytoo Talk 22:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Michael is not mentioned at the target, so redirection is not justified. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with SmokeyJoe's assessment. Papaursa (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose deletion if a redirect is to be created. There is no need to obfuscate the page history. Neutral otherwise. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 23:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The subject is not covered at the target, and I don’t think there is a case to add coverage. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And it's rather irresponsible to keep BLPCRIME violations in the history only because a redirect would exist. There is no need to keep the history either way. Fram (talk) 08:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have grave doubts about creating redirects for children who do not actually meet any inclusion criteria.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The real subject here is the event, not a biography, but the event isn't notable (let alone the biography) per WP:EVENT, because there's no likelihood of continued coverage, and it seems likely to be a single-cycle topic of media coverage. There's no reason to have this article, and when that is true for a WP:BLPCRIME topic, it means that there is a reason not to have the article. tw^sabin 22:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.