Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Amanda Milan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Cirt (talk) 07:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Not notable. Can be merged with an article related to transexual issues, such as Transphobia. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITSNOTABLE --Damiens.rf 21:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep That's not much of a nomination. On the contrary, a routine search [1] suggests that her brutal murder became a rallying point for persons of the transsexual persuasion, somewhat similar to the Matthew Shepard case. Perhaps you can explain the reasons further. Mandsford (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally disagree that this google search shows what you say it shows. There seem to be dozens of LGBT-activism sites listing any suspect gay-hate-crime as a gay-hate-crime, and I can't say I'm convinced this one is any special even among the activist community. --Damiens.rf 21:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a good point, but this one strikes me as a bit more notable than the average hate crime. Perhaps it garnered more attention because it was in New York City, perhaps because the murder was by a someone who despised the victim because of the transsexual issue. But it was notable enough within that community that it was still being commemorated in rallies even six years after the fact as seen in [2]. I think it would qualify. Mandsford (talk) 22:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts). The scope of the coverage for this crime was entirely local. Even among LGBT activist groups and publications the coverage has come from New York City based organizations. The criminal acts notability guidelines specifically state that crimes must receive national coverage in order to be considered notable. I will change my vote if further verifiable independent sources can be found that demonstrate national coverage.Nrswanson (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Per Mandsford. The outrage about and fallout from Milan's death was certainly not limited to New York City, which the nominator might know had he bothered to do the teensiest bit of research. Rebecca (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Löschen What have we got here? A culpable homicide of a prostitute? There is no suggestion that there is anything more than she/he was a transsexual and despite Rebecca's assertion, I seen no evidence of remarkable or lasting significance.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 11:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article is about the crime, rather than the victim, and the reaction to the crime. Generally, murder victims were rather ordinary people during their lifetimes. There's another source [3] that shows that the subject came up in a debate over hate crimes legislation, with the Senator Orrin Hatch acknowledging Ms. Milan. No, he wasn't a New York guy talking up "entirely local" news, but rather on the floor of the U.S. Senate, with the Republican Senator from Utah doing the talking. I suppose that one could say that Emmitt Till was no different than any other 14 year old homicide victim before or since. Perhaps so, but the notability came in the outcry that followed. Mandsford (talk) 03:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm still not convinced that this establishes notability. The case was only mentioned offhand among numerous other cases which were covered much more thoroughly than the Milan case.Nrswanson (talk) 04:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article is about the crime, rather than the victim, and the reaction to the crime. Generally, murder victims were rather ordinary people during their lifetimes. There's another source [3] that shows that the subject came up in a debate over hate crimes legislation, with the Senator Orrin Hatch acknowledging Ms. Milan. No, he wasn't a New York guy talking up "entirely local" news, but rather on the floor of the U.S. Senate, with the Republican Senator from Utah doing the talking. I suppose that one could say that Emmitt Till was no different than any other 14 year old homicide victim before or since. Perhaps so, but the notability came in the outcry that followed. Mandsford (talk) 03:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, per Mandsford. Simple searches reveal that the coverage and fallout wasn't limited to NYC; I'm not convinced that the mere fact that the coverage is limited to a specific subset of journalistic venues makes it any less notable. Celarnor Talk to me 23:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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