Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamil place names in Malaysia

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil place names in Malaysia

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No valid sources Pakbelang (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC) Creating deletion discussion for Tamil place names in Malaysia None of the references cited on this page actually support the claims being madePakbelang (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 22:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 22:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:47, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment While I agree that this is a bit "narrow" topic, I think a merge to a suitable target (or multiple targets) might be better. How about Malaysian_Indians#Influence_toward_Malaysian_Culture?--DreamLinker (talk) 02:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 10:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes good idea. (talk) 3 September 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 04:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KCVelaga (talk) 02:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article has sources and it's not clear why they are not considered valid. Here's another one: Malaya: What's in the name?. The page has been around since 2006 and the topic seems notable. The rest is then a matter of ordinary editing per WP:IMPERFECT. Andrew D. (talk) 08:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your source doesn't really support what's stated in the article - it says Malaya is Sanskrit, but may be related to a word in Tamil or Malayalam (referring to a place in Kerala which is Malayalam-speaking), while the article claims it's Tamil (an unsourced claim). A cursory look will tell us that the claims of origin of the names in the article are highly speculative, for example no one really knows what the origin of Selangor is (see the etymology section in the article). Same for Muar. It seems to be a problematic article, written with an ethnocentric slant and almost certainly a POV. There maybe a proper article on the subject to be written, but this is not it, perhaps a WP:TNT is necessary. Hzh (talk) 09:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unsourced garbage, and especially per the source linked by Andrew above, the opening sentence of the article is a mess POV/OR, equating "Dravidian" and "Tamil/Malayalam" (and even Sanskrit!) with "Tamil", and just calling it "Tamil", perhaps (?) for some ethno-nationalist POV reason. If anything in this article is salvageable, it's only because a topic-proficient editor could put out a much better article that includes all the same information (more appropriately worded) with five minutes of work, so there's nothing that would be lost by deleting the page. I would not be against userfying the page, deleting and redirecting it, or even redirecting it without deleting. I'm not going to comment on whether the topic is notable since, like Andrew, I have very little to no training in this topic area. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete After consideration, I don't think the article is salvageable. None of the entries can be firmly established to be of Tamil origin. That there are similar names in India is neither here or there, since they are not clear evidence that the name is Tamil in origin (e.g. Malaya may be Tamil or Malayalam or Sanskrit). All you have is a load of unsourced POV or OR speculations. Someone more knowledge might write another article on this, but the article as it is cannot stay. Hzh (talk) 11:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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