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Category:Baniya people

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 12:16, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We do not categorise people by caste. Sitush (talk) 20:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Angelic-themed television series

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The result of the discussion was: merge. I have ensured that all the contents are also held elsewhere in the hierarchy of the other valid parent Category:Fantasy television series. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Hard to decipher a difference in the definition of these categories; if having angels is defining for a show (otherwise the show's article ought not be in either category as being a trivial aspect), then whether it's "themed" or not is really just a matter of opinion and these ought to be merged. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Aircraft categories

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. xplicit 03:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Real content of categories is "Aircraft first flown in the (decade)". See category decriptions for Category:Aircraft 2010–2019, it contains only aircraft first flown since 2010 till 2019, so the first flight was made in the 2010s. My proposition is to rename all such categories to more correct format: Category:Aircraft first flown in 2000s, Category:Aircraft first flown in 2010s etc (by decade). If approved, all subcategories (by country or type) will be renamed also using similar format, of course (in the future nominations: Category:Chinese aircraft 2010–2019 to Category:Chinese aircraft first flown in the 2010s). Note, already existing Category:Aircraft first flown in 2010, Category:Aircraft first flown in 2011, ... Category:Aircraft first flown in 2017 will be the subcategories of future Category:Aircraft first flown in 2010s, for example. In the current category structure, Category:2010s means the same range, "from 2010 to 2019 (inclusive)". 217.30.192.236 (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The gap between first flight and introduction to service for F-35 is about 10 years. DexDor (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MilborneOne, it's not clear what you mean with breaking the whole category system. The proposal ALT-2 does not involve any 'first flown in' wording, and seems to be a sensible simplification of the current category names with no change in meaning, also in line with similar categories for other vehicles. --Deeday-UK (talk) 18:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All the child cats (and they are lots) are based on decades not years. Aircraft have not followed vehicle categorisation as the noteworthy date is the first flown not introduced (and they are not always considered to be vehicles!) so the recent adding of Category:Aircraft 1900–1909‎ to Category:Vehicles introduced in the 1900s is just plain wrong. The ALT2 would involve in breaking up all the many sub-cats by year not something that can be done by a bot and I presume if the propsal is accepted would the nominator change all the 10,000 odd aircraft articles that would need to be changed? I am not adverse to some tweaking but I think we would need to loose the Vehicles introduced in the Foos first and sort out the Vehicle categories to make sense. Messing about around the edges is just going to make things worse. MilborneOne (talk) 19:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MilborneOne: As for notifying projects, there is no longer a need to do this manually on project talk pages; alerts are automated for the projects that have banners on the category talk pages, and both Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Article alerts and Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Article alerts correctly include links to this CFD. Projects do well to encourage their members to include the Alerts pages on their personal watchlists. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Not all notable aircraft types actually flew. For example most of the Blohm & Voss designs described in multiple RS did not. [update] A great many others flew only in prototype form and were never "introduced" to service, on a scale unique to aircraft. The current category names are sufficiently non-specific to embrace these aircraft, the proposed naming system is not. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC) [Updated 08:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)][reply]
I also endorse MilborneOne's opposition to "introduction" and to messing round the edges, and would note that for ships, which may be launched in one year and commissioned, i.e. introduced, in another, the word "introduced" is omitted and the date of launch is used. Best to agree a common format for all three transport projects before changing anything. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 08:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Performance capture in film

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The result of the discussion was: rename. @JDDJS: please restore former members as discussed. – Fayenatic London 21:42, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: According to our own article on Motion capture, performance capture is specifically when facial expressions are captured. I've been removing articles that only have motion capture to reflect that, but after further consideration, I started to wonder if it just made more sense to rename it rather than remove them. JDDJS (talk) 03:46, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:State University of New York television stations

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only has one page, no need for this category. Rusf10 (talk) 03:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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