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[edit]- Jason Gunawan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBAD and WP:GNG. His achievements are all at junior level and at the moment not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. zoglophie•talk• 14:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
- Ho, Kelly (2020-01-06). "Diocesan Boys' School student and badminton star Jason Gunawan follows in his father's footsteps". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "At some point, every athlete dreams of making it to the Olympics, but local badminton prodigy Jason Gunawan has had his heart set on competing at the sporting event since he was four years old. Jason, who celebrated his second consecutive win in the boys’ singles event at the All Hong Kong Schools Jing Ying Tournament last Monday, says he has been dreaming of Olympic glory ever since he watched Chinese player Lin Dan take gold at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. ... A love of badminton runs in Jason’s family. His father, a Chinese Indonesian, used to play for the Jakarta province team. As a child, Jason would head to the local sports centre with his father every Sunday to practise, eventually earning a spot on the Hong Kong junior team. He now trains 30 hours a week at the Hong Kong Sports Institute, but still finds time to practise with his dad, his biggest supporter."
- Cheung, Ka-Wa 徐嘉華 (2024-05-25). "羽毛球| 由外圍賽打至8強止步 吳英倫下月生日願望:今年闖入世界排名頭30" [Badminton| From qualifying to the top 8, Jason Gunawan's birthday wish next month: to break into the top 30 in the world this year]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "父母是印尼華僑的Jason,曾於2020年以最年輕球手(當時16歲)奪全港錦標賽男單冠軍,可惜一場疫情斷送足足3年的青少年比賽,直到2022年5月才開始由低(國際挑戰賽級別)打起,... Jason今年初繼續參加「國際挑戰賽」,亦遇到一些「超級300」的比賽,世界排名由年初105位到本月泰國公開賽(超級500)時是96位,他在該賽的16強,遇上世界排名第5的日本球星奈良岡功大,雙方拉鋸3局,港將只在決勝局輸「刁時」(21:11、 15:21、20:22),世界排名升至本周的83位。"
From Google Translate: "Jason, whose parents are Indonesian overseas Chinese, won the men's singles championship in the Hong Kong Championships in 2020 as the youngest golfer (16 years old at the time). Unfortunately, a pandemic ruined the youth competition for three full years, and it was not until May 2022 that it started. Starting from a low (International Challenge level),... Jason continued to participate in the "International Challenge" at the beginning of this year, and also encountered some "Super 300" competitions. His world ranking increased from 105th at the beginning of the year to this month's Thailand Open (Super 500). ) was ranked 96th at the time. In the top 16 of the tournament, he met Japanese star Kodai Naraoka, who was ranked fifth in the world. The two sides went back and forth for 3 games. The Hong Kong player only lost to "Diao Shi" in the decisive game (21:11, 15 :21, 20:22), the world ranking rose to 83rd this week."
- Chan, Kin-wa (2020-11-15). "Jason Gunawan crowned youngest-ever Hong Kong men's badminton champion at 16". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "Jason Gunawan became the youngest-ever men’s singles champion at the annual Hong Kong badminton championships at Kowloon Park Sports Centre on Sunday, thanks partly to his decision to turn to full-time training amid the pandemic. Just three months after cutting short his secondary school studies to pursue a full-time sporting career at the Sports Institute, the 16-year-old teenager reigned supreme in the three-game final against Chan Yin-chak, winning 21-19, 17-21, 21-13 to put himself in the record books."
- Chan, Kin-wa (2020-12-01). "Young gun Jason Gunawan sets sights on winning Olympic gold for Hong Kong". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "Outside of Hong Kong there is badminton legend Tony Gunawan, the 2000 Sydney Olympic men’s doubles champion of Indonesia. Here in Hong Kong there is 16-year-old Jason Gunawan, a fast-rising talent now setting his sights on becoming another Olympic gold-medal winner like his namesake. ... Gunawan will not be present in Tokyo either as he is still competing in junior events, but the 2024 Paris Games will be his first attempt at making the step up to Olympic level, with the Los Angeles Games four years later his major target for a medal. ... Born in Hong Kong with an Indonesian-Chinese father, Gunawan was destined to make a name in badminton before he was even born, he said."
- Ng, Chia Yin (2024-05-24). "Jason: I thank coach Wong for helping me grow". The Star. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "Hong Kong’s rising star Jason Gunawan appreciated coach Wong Choong Hann’s role in the growth of his career after checking into the men’s singles quarter-finals in the Malaysian Masters. ... Jason, who will be turning 20 next month, is expecting a tougher job against world No. 19 Lu Guangzu of China next but looking forward to gaining invaluable experience."
- Chiu, Tsz-chun 趙子晉 (2023-09-14). "羽毛球.香港賽|李卓耀不敵基斯迪衛冕失敗 吳英倫力追世界距離" [Badminton: Hong Kong Open| Lee Cheuk Yiu Fails to Defend Title Against Kistkidis, Jason Gunawan Closes the Gap to World Rankings] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "吳英倫決勝局初段把握對方情緒不穩,多次放高波予甘克起板,Jason曾經領先5:2,甘克一度滑倒倒地。惟Jason體力有所下降,... 年僅19歲的吳英倫,以往主力出戰青年賽為主,就算越級挑戰成年組也是大多是國際挑戰賽級別,主場的香港賽是他生涯首個BWF 500分的賽事。"
From Google Translate: "Jason Gunawan took advantage of his opponent's emotional instability in the early stage of the decisive game and sent high waves to Gan Ke several times. Jason once led 5:2, but Gan Ke once slipped and fell to the ground. But Jason's physical strength has declined... Jason Gunawan, who is only 19 years old, has mainly competed in youth competitions in the past. Even if he jumps to the adult group, most of them are international challenge competitions. The Hong Kong competition at home is his first BWF 500 in his career. points competition."
- Cunard, Except for the first source, the coverage of him can't be written as "Significant", which are some scant detailing about him in 2-6. He is a booming player for sure, and we got to wait for him to become a noteworthy figure in future. zoglophie•talk• 10:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The first two sources—the South China Morning Post and Sing Tao Daily articles—provide substantial coverage about the subject, which enable him to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. The other sources also provide significant to less significant coverage about him (they discuss him in their headlines and cover biographical details about him in the article). The sources all contribute to notability because Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Cunard (talk) 11:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Cunard, Except for the first source, the coverage of him can't be written as "Significant", which are some scant detailing about him in 2-6. He is a booming player for sure, and we got to wait for him to become a noteworthy figure in future. zoglophie•talk• 10:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting could an editor review these sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cunard. Meets WP:SPORTSBASIC. Plenty of coverage. C F A 💬 03:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Does not meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC standard. Numerous articles create a historical record of the person as an athlete in badminton. When looking at WP:SIGCOV argument proposed by User:Zoglophie against WP:NOT and WP:NBAD, it does not seem that it meets the notability standard for an athlete in this sport. There is consistent coverage to acknowledge notability when the standard is met. Ventric (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Did you assess the sources in this discussion? Liz Read! Talk! 05:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Withdrawn after reviewing sources. Thank you, I needed another look. Ventric (talk) 05:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Mizuki Otake (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 14:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - As the runner-up in the 2024 Indonesia Masters Super 100 I, she and Miyu Takahashi have finished on the podium of a BWF World Tour tournament passing WP:NBADMINTON. DCsansei (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Daigo Tanioka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Miyu Takahashi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 11:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I found this which is fairly in-depth. There's also this, this, and some other routine coverage. Likely not enough to meet WP:NBASIC but I would not be surprised if there was more coverage out there. I just don't know where to look or how to read Japanese. C F A 💬 16:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - As the runner-up in the 2024 Indonesia Masters Super 100 I, she and Mizuki Otake have finished on the podium of a BWF World Tour tournament passing WP:NBADMINTON. DCsansei (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Tanvi Patri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBAD, WP:GNG. Actually its nowhere near meeting the basic badminton guidelines. zoglophie•talk• 15:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Tanvi Patri has done very well at the youth level of her sport, and if she continues to play at adult level and to be successful, we may see her becoming notable enough to be the subject of a Wikipedia article in a few years. However, she isn't there yet, either by the general notability guideline or by the subject specific guidelines relevant to her. JBW (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I agree with the comment above, this is TOOSOON. Winning u15 and u17 tournaments isn't quite notable for wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The BLP passes gen. notability criteria as there is huge coverage in India. All mainstream Indian newspapers like The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, Times of India have covered her and there are at least two secondary sources, which covered her in detail. I feel it should be kept. OR atleast drafted, BUT NOT deleted. Davidindia (talk)
- Perhaps you can provide some references to the "huge coverage" of her then, since there aren't any at present. The cited articles in the three newspapers you mention are merely routine news reports of match results, and none of them have more than a few sentences about her; they are not even moderate coverage of her, let alone "huge coverage". JBW (talk) 11:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion has headed in the delete direction, but we should allow the keep !voter a chance to respond to the question about sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)